Nice one. I wonder, was JTL bringing in mandolins from Italy, or actually producing them in France? This one looks pretty distinct from the familiar Italian models that we're used to seeing.
Nice one. I wonder, was JTL bringing in mandolins from Italy, or actually producing them in France? This one looks pretty distinct from the familiar Italian models that we're used to seeing.
Interesting, though. It looks like this same one was sold on eBay UK in September. Bought for £133. Then it must have been repaired. Look at the 4 small holes on either side of the end of the fretboard as well as two circular holes on the sides of the rosette/soundhole on the early auction. Those were all plugged up. So some work was done on it and the seller actually lost money (a few pounds) on the deal.
Still, it is a nice mandolin and the buyer got a good one. I wonder if we will see it up for auction another time soon.
Jim
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Huh, looks like someone had a pickup installed on in in the past.
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Interesting aluminium bowled mandolin on eBay at present, no makers name but the seller suspect German origins:
I can't recall seeing these side holes before, though I should be doing a little more searching before posting this:
I Fratelli Albertazzi.
Can't say I much like the holes, but overall a pretty nice looking mandolin: maple bowl, curious headstock.
The neck looks to be in fairly playable condition.
Mick
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[QUOTE=Tavy;1683492]Interesting aluminium bowled mandolin on eBay at present, no makers name but the seller suspect German origins:
The U.S. Department of Defense is soon coming up with a titanium version of this model. Sales for civilian use may be limited, though.
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Victor
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I actually like the snaky soundport holes. At least these Albertazzi boys while learning in the Vinaccia shop decided to make something a little different. That zero fret looks a little odd. I wonder if something is missing there.
Here is the only other Albertazzi mandolin I have in my files. More Vinacci-esque to my eye. The neck on the current one is much different esp with the zero fret.
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Hah, Mick! I did a search for Albertazzi mandolin and your earlier post on this thread came up indicating you were interested in 2008 probably in the one I posted above.
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Thanks, Jim! Ha, is right. Likely no more on that one than a desultory bid, for sure, as Martin J calls them.
By the looks of all three, Fra'lbertazzi made some nice mandolins.
It looks like the zero fret itself is missing on the current Al'tazzi. Shouldn't be much of a fuss to replace.
I guess it's time for another desultory bid.
Mick
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What nothing for 2 whole months?
Nearly new Pandini on eBay UK: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/183600758903?ul_noapp=true
Yum. Scalloped maple bowl. Mille grazie, John! Happy New Year to y'all!
Mick
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I had a happy find today. I just got this 1919 Calace a few hours ago. I don't know much of it's history but I'm happy to see that it's previous owner had strung it up with some unknown brand of light strings. I have since replaced it with a set of Dogal Calace RW92 Dolce. What a wonderful full sounding instrument and very playable up to the end of the fretboard extension (even if I have to fret it with my fingernail). Here are some (sideways) pictures:
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Thanks, Jim! I know I'm an iconoclast when it comes to Embergher design love, but I think yours is sublimely wonderful.
This model doesn't look like it has that distinctive LE subtle recurve at the bowl / neck confluence, but all the elements come together into a lovely whole. Gorgeous mandolin!
Mick
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According to my friend and LE expert, it was very likely completely made by the master himself since at the relatively early time he may have been the main maker with maybe one acolyte. Also he worked on the upperend instruments. Also this is early, pre-1907 when they had the symmetrical scratchplates and this was an orchestral instrument. The soloist models have a slightly larger body and possibly a more pronounced recurve in the neck area. I know about you and the Larsons but didn't know about your iconoclasicism (right word) for LE's work. Is this a new thing? You must be getting older. When we met years ago I don't think you developed these tics.
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Lovely stuff, all three (Pandini, Calace, Emberger). Didn't realise you're no longer a Pandini man, Jim.
A nice Emberger no. 2 (1930) just showed up on the Cafe ads today. Nearby and tempting. Is that model also fluted? But nut width is 15/16", so probably not for me.
No flutes until N.3 and the soloists. there are N.4's but those are generally custom 3's. I believe most Emberghers have those narrow but radiused necks/fingerboards. It is the Roman style and was sort of imitative of the violin. They are not all as weird as they looks tho, do take some getting used to. OTOH they are not for everyone even among us bowlback aficionados.
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I am getting older, Jim. But I've been fussy, twitchy (and over-opinionated) about LE's work around here for a long while. And people have been justifiably ignoring these opinions for an equal period of time.
FWIW (little), I've long felt that LE's (later) work on the higher end model was a dog's breakfast of unrelated design elements. This is obviously no reflection on the sound or playability..... The 5 bis are more of a design hash than even the Gibson F-5s, which however jumbled, hold together better to my design eye.
I know I'm swimming against the tide. So was the little kid who said the Emperor had no clothes....
Your model, however orchestral, is a much finer, more integrated looking overall design.
To my eye. But what do I know?
Mick
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It is especially interesting since the two finest 5bis Emberghers I have seen and played were both made in the 1940s by Domenico Cerrone after Luigi passed away. I guess I am used to seeing these and fine them quite pleasing to my eyes but then again what do I know?
BTW the main thing i do dislike is that cartoon dragon they put on the N.6.
BTW If you think that the 5bis is a design hash, what about the dreaded Cetramadami? I don't think i have actually seen an actual instrument but no doubt they existed and I think commissioned by a customer. I don't think we can completely blame LE for making one only agreeing to do it for the cash. Had to feed those bambinos.
Jim
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