Loar Picture of the Day

**Ken Waltham** · Sep-03-2003, 7:57pm

Holy cats!!, please disregard the spelling mistakes!

**tope** · Sep-04-2003, 6:17am

f5journl, The left tuner is always a bit higher? is this only on the flowerpot or on all the different inlays? How much higher? ....Gary

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-04-2003, 6:25am

It's just a minor anomaly..I'm not sure about the "ferns"..Gibson had alot of "template errors in those days that are neat authentic touches..ones that a person may or may not wish to duplicate. If you are into banjos, note how the double cut peghead is not cut as deep on the right side...shows up on every one of them

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-04-2003, 9:30am

75700 February 18, 1924 - This is a fine example of the February and March 24 mandolins that are "black"..having a significant traces of black stain instead of the more walnut color to the sunburst. #They are also typified by more prominent whiter binding (including the pickguard)

**Scotti Adams** · Sep-04-2003, 9:36am

..now thats one great lookin axe...I love that color...very cool lookin...

**Spruce** · Sep-04-2003, 9:38am

Originally Posted by (f5journl @ Sep. 04 2003, 4:25)

"Gibson had alot of "template errors in those days that are neat authentic touches..ones that a person may or may not wish to duplicate."

Darryl...
Keep this stuff comin'...!
Great info as to why these instruments look and feel the way that they do...

**ronlane3** · Sep-05-2003, 12:58pm

Darryl, I'm having withdrawals, I desparately waitin on today's pic. I need my fix before the weekend. Please, this is killing me.:p :D

**Tom C** · Sep-05-2003, 1:40pm

On the peghead shot above you state....
"and note that the binding miter always points directly to the right, not slightly up or down."
Can you elaborate please?

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-08-2003, 7:49am

82369 "Unsigned" '25/26 Flowerpot

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-08-2003, 7:53am

Charles, Is that 79836?

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-08-2003, 7:55am

Originally Posted by (Tom C @ Sep. 05 2003, 2:40)

On the peghead shot above you state....
"and note that the binding miter always points directly to the right, not slightly up or down."
Can you elaborate please?

[QUOTE]

Where the binding comes together..on the cut-out for the larger scroll on the peghead...the binding points right. Most people stop short or go too far around

**Michael Gowell** · Sep-08-2003, 8:19pm

Daryl - Thank you for this series - I'm loving it. #Could you please explain by what criterion the "unsigned 25/26 flowerpot" instrument is a "Loar"? If he didn't sign it (said signature supposedly guaranteeing that LL actually tested & approved that specific instrument), and in fact that the instrument was manufactured after LL's departure from Gibson, how can it be called a "Loar"?

**Spruce** · Sep-08-2003, 9:18pm

Hey MM...
Check out this thread...

It pretty much covers it...

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-09-2003, 6:27am

MM...that is the reason for the quotes around unsigned. It is not a Loar as such but bears all aspects of a Loar, and usually has the same stamp number on the headblock as an actual Loar instrument, indicating that it was started along with an instrument that indeed is a signed Loar

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-09-2003, 6:51am

H5 Mandola, Signed by Lloyd Loar on Oct 7, 1924 (w/Virzi)

**fishdawg40** · Sep-09-2003, 7:31am

Originally Posted by (f5journl @ Sep. 09 2003, 7:51)

H5 Mandola, Signed by Lloyd Loar on Oct 7, 1924 (w/Virzi)

What is (a) Virzi?

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-09-2003, 7:45am

A thin oval spruce disc suspended from the top which was intended to produce more overtones. #Hence "Virzi Tone Producer". #Their ability/value in accomplishing that is highly argumentative. #The general opinion is that they do not, but should not be removed. #Be aware that the sound they were trying to achieve then may not be what we look for now. #But they only were installed for a couple of years and for all practical purposes they dissapeared along with Lloyd Loar.

**evanreilly** · Sep-09-2003, 8:23am

Here is a Virzi I have that I found after it had been surgically removed.
Is that mandola the one that Zepp had for sale a while back?

**evanreilly** · Sep-09-2003, 8:27am

Here is a picture of a Virzi Tone Producer in an A-style instrument.

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-09-2003, 8:32am

Yes that's the "Zepp" instrument. Price was around $39K

**Spruce** · Sep-09-2003, 1:51pm

"...and usually has the same stamp number on the headblock as an actual Loar instrument..."

You wouldn't happen to have any pics of this stamp number kicking around, would you Darryl?....
I've never eye-balled a Loar through the endpin hole....

Thanks!

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-09-2003, 2:02pm

Good question..I'll see if I can figure out how to take one

**evanreilly** · Sep-09-2003, 4:34pm

Use a dental or inspection mirror.

**Darryl Wolfe** · Sep-11-2003, 12:19pm

Not exactly a picture of a Loar, but an
interesting exercise. #This is the earliest
catalog illustration of an F5. #It appears in
Catalog N. The mandolin shown has a Fern (only a
handful of '24's have a fern). #It is double bound
(only one has that). #The pickguard bracket has not been
seen on any F5's, and the arrow end tuners do not appear
until March '23. #All catalog illustrations after this
depict a typical flowerpot F5 with correct appointments.

**Charlie Derrington** · Sep-11-2003, 12:45pm

There are a lot of things with this mando that are odd.

Look at the carving on the back, near the heel. Looks like F-4 (or early 22 f-5) carving with the ridge down the middle of the back.

I wonder if it was very early and re-appointed for the N catalog. As an aside, the Virzi stuff in that catalog is neat.

Charlie

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