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    Hi Folks...I'm working on a new website so that I can post more pics...my account was turned off for "too much traffic/bandwidth". I should be going sometime Wed or Thurs from f5journal.com

    Charlie D...I've got some nice pics of you and your first Dec 11 '23 and the Unsigned that will be going up. That should get some good "who is that masked man" chatter going.

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    Good Golly!!

    I had no idea. How in the world could I have looked so young!

    That particular Dec.11 was a killer mandolin.

    Charlie

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    Charlie, I can sort of remember you looking like that. ha ha
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    JR in Action, Mission BC, July 03
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    Hey, what's up with that strap? #It looks like one of those funny mando straps that Grisman uses.

    Actually, now that I look the picture a little closer I see that it is an optical illusion. The "strap" around his neck is actually the strap for the name-tag. The mando strap is actually laying down.



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    Yep, and it's a kangaroo strap, at that!

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    I haven't abandoned you'all. Site is up, but I'm having trouble FTP'ing thru our firewall.
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    Were fixed now..more to come

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    The 10 string mando-viola ##70321





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    What is implied by "mando-viola"? Is it the same as a 10 string mandola? I love this post.




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    Essentially..I'm not sure how it was intended to be tuned. It does have a period mandola body..but with 2 plain and 3 wound sets of strings. When I played it, the strings were loose..and I simply tuned it up to where it felt right..but I don't know where it was at. I don't know where the "mando-viola" term was coined or captured from though
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    I recall the mando-viola was Eb Bb F C F (bass to treble) which is similar to a lot of Irish Bouzouki/mandola tunings.. I used GDAEA which is 1.5 steps up from that.

    Back when it was on the block at Mandolin Bros, I think I read that it was intended to fill the range of a mandola & mandolin at the same time so Loar could use it for Mandolin Orchestra playing (gaining felexibility)

    Darryl- do you have the scale length on it? I'd be able to make a pretty good guess at what tunings would work on it as it's effectively an Irish Cittern or "10-string mandola" class instrument.

    This one has fascinated me for years, especially in light of the fact that it's unique. Vega made 10-string cylinderback mandolins that were CGDAE tuned, and there were a few other scarce examples.. but vintage 10-stringers are pretty rare comparatively, and a Loar one even more so!
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    I'll get the scale length from the owner. I still have the Mando Bros flyer on it too..will check it
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    The Loar A-5 #74003 Sept. 10, 1923 #Pics of pic aren't so good..I'll start scanning them





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    Tut and I with it when he had it borrowed last year






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    Darryl, you are correct about the serial numbers.

    Wish I still had them both.

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    We had a couple threads about 10-stringers on coMando recently too. It's interesting, the consensus among the F5 builders seems to be that they "don't work" as such, generally tending to be weak on either the treble or the bass. I've not tried a 10-string with f-holes, but the oval-holed ones seem to be quite successful, or perhaps you could simply say that that "Weakness" isn't as pronouced as it's said to be.

    I think part of it might be that the sound that is expected from an f-holed instrument is pushing the limits of the wood more so than an oval-holed instrument might.. The f5 sound to me is a combination of punchy treble, some woof underneath it, and a midrange that isn't as strong.. where the oval holes are almost all midrange with lots of overtones. Or Maybe oval-holed mandos just have that much more midrange. Or more overtones. Hmm, F5s are more "Clear" I suppose, which means fundamental. Maybe.

    Here're some typical scale lengths & tunings for the Irish bouzoukis.. which are really more like modified mandocellos, though the history is kind of complex:

    10-string Mandola: 20.5-21" scale length
    GDAEA GDGDG
    GCGDA AEAEA
    ADAEA (etc)

    10-string Bouzouki: 24-25" scale length
    DGDAD DAEAE
    DAEBE CGDAD
    CGDAE DGDAE (etc)

    So my guess is the mando-viola must be between 21 & 23 inches scale length or so?

    I've seen Monteleone Grand Artist 10-stringers (one on Larry Wexer's site now I think), and Mandolin Bros had an Apitius 10-string (looks to be inspired by 70321 from the pictures I saw).

    Do you know of any recordings using 70321? I lived in San Jose for the last 3 years but never managed to get in touch with the owner to see if I could have a peek at it.
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    DGW, post a pic of the back of 73013. Surely you have a shot of that...
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    Hmm, one of the tuning pegs goes right through the "G" in "The Gibson" inlay, funny. Reminds me of that super-clean Fern at Gryphon a few months ago that had pegs right through the fern inlay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Brian @ Aug. 27 2003, 10:16)
    (Brian) DGW, post a pic of the back of 73013. Surely you have a shot of that...
    I don't have it..someone sent me the pic a while back...
    Am I messed up, I thought this was yours..or is it in Eastern NC at the home of WJ?
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    You're not messed up. 73013 is mine. WJ took those pics in Nashville and emailed them to me, but they were lost when my comp was reconfigured. I would post one, but I can't seem to get the size small enough. Maybe I can get WJ to send them to me again. Thanks for your effort in this, it is quite enjoyable. The pics of the young Charlie D. are great. That was about the time I first met him. I am looking forward to your website
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    Brian..I think I can get the rest
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    An exceptionally beautiful early Loar.
    72857 April 12, 1923 w/Virzi





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