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    Hi gang!

    I have come to the conclusion I use my C-string much less than the other, traditional mandolin strings. Given most of the songs I play are in the keys of G, D or A, I was thinking about tuning it up to a D where it might be more frequently used in chords or as a drone.

    How do you folks use your mandola string? Do any of you use alternative tunings? What are your thoughts about this?
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    Hi Travis,

    I spent a lot of time thinking about these things and playing both 5 course instruments and mandolas.

    I have a Weber Alder #2 with 17" scale length. I had trouble with the Cs being too heavy to be comfortable. So I tuned it EBF#C# with D'Addario J74s. After a while, I switched to DAEB using octave mandolin strings, and finally dropped it back to CGDA, but still use the octave mandolin strings. The tension and size are still comfortable and I like being a full 5th lower than mandolin.

    The scale lengths of my 5 string electrics are longer than standard mandolin scale, so the C strings can have good tension without being too thick to play comfortably. I took my JBovier to 2 different luthiers before getting the intonation where I need it. The Arrow arrived set up perfectly.

    If it were my mandolin, I'd get the instrument set up properly after finding the right gauges for each course. Intonating that C string make take some time and experimentation. But once you've got it, I bet you start using it more.

    You've already got D on the second fret of the C string, so you can effectively play 2 octaves in that key. And with C# on the first fret, you can go a note lower than D and still be in the scale. In G, the C is a 5th lower, so you can harmonize below, and again you can manage two octaves. With A you've got a C natural for blues and an easy C# for a cool low third when improvising.

    Those are my thoughts. But you should do what works for you.


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    I use DGDAE on my 5 course long scale cittern, but for 5 string electric I would stick to CGDAE - the alternative tunings are great for chording, but IMO useless for melody, and on something mandolin/dola-sized I want to be playing melody with the logic of 5ths tuning. Just my 2c...

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    I do not have a 5-stringed musical instrument. But the idea is yes
    Would not it be enough to put a cut capo on C string?
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    G,-D-A-e-a 17" scale; G is an octave lower than mandolin. Essentially turns the instrument into a short neck electric guitar in an alternate tuning.

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    Does anyone else use flat fifth tuning. I play eight string electric mandolin, and it would work very well for a five string. The stepwise progression makes it easier for both chords and melody. G D G D with a stepped nut. ie, Ds "nut" at the first fret. Martin

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    I've been playing 5 string electrics for just over three years now and love the standard CGDAE tuning. I play classical, jazz, and some popular stuff. If you can handle using tab as well standard notation, just drop down a fifth and you'll find that lower c string adds another dimension to the sound. It allows many pieces to be played in the key they were written. I enjoy the 5 string in just the way they were intended to be played. That's just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

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    Guitars were originally all five string, tuned just like the modern instrument, but without the low E. It was a hundred years before someone added it. Guitar tuning is hard to beat, and a lot of "five string electrics" look more like guitars than mandolins.

    For a seventeen inch scale my suggestion is : D G C E A Chord shapes that include open strings would all be the same as guitar but the sound would be a fourth higher. Martin

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    If I was going to change the C string on my 5 string. It would be to a G and go for a high b leaving it tuned in fifths. I have enough trouble playing without learning a different interval of tuning.
    My 5 string is 20” scale and off the top of my head I have a 74 on the C which is good for tension. But does sound quite thuddy, I don’t use it for chords. Double stops are about the limit for my taste anyway.

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    my 5-string is usually tuned gDGBD but I often tune it to gDGCD .
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    Default Re: Alternative tunings for your 5-string

    <Geoff Muldaur's 'Minglewood' mandolin tuning >,, I forgot, (Prior post,)
    but the internet remembered it for me..



    https://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/a.../t-118684.html

    I got a reply from Geoff Muldaur recently when I asked via web,
    about the tuning he used for 'the Mingle Wood blues' .

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUAgFvfoRY0 ... circa 88

    He replied : low to hi, G-C-G, top of E pair is another C, 1st string still E.


    [for 8 not 5 anyhow. but 5 maybe try g/c/g/c/e, as separate strings]



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