check out Cecen Kizi (Tanburi Cemil Bey)

[darylcrisp]

Mike plays some nice arrangements on guitar, Uke, and I was checking thru his youtube site and found this cool mandolin arrangement.
enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxMWjetmex4

[DavidKOS]

That's quite nice - but the original is a bit quicker and is not in 12 tone ET tuning.

http://www.notaarsivleri.com/saz-eserleri/1389.html





original versions - note intonation



adapted to 12 tone ET tuning.

original sheet music:

http://www.notaarsivleri.com/NotaMuz...seri__1219.pdf

notice the key signature






The reverse flat is a 8 koma note, and this is not in "piano nota" tuning. Also in practice, this note is often even a bit lower in descending passages.

Anyway, it's cool seeing Turkish art music played on mandolin - but the tuning has had to be altered to do so. The original tuning is the "best" version as it is still in the classical makam system.

[DavidKOS]

Just to clarify - I like the guitar/mandolin version. It's a fine example of adapting Turkish art music music into the standard "Western" tonal system, and as such is its own thing.

I've seen this sort of thing done in Turkish mandolin books.

At Lark Camp, though, several musicians were discussing Greek and Turkish music - the big difference being that bouzoukis and guitars are in the same tuning system as mandolins, the baglama saz, oud, etc. - folk and classical instruments - use a non-tempered tuning with those so-called "quarter tones".

It's a choice of harmony and chords versus pure melody (with a few selected chords for accents); both have their merits.

I just wanted everyone to hear the difference.

[Bertram Henze]

Whatever the tuning, I have to acknowledge the excellent taste to wear a black tie that goes with the mandolin

[Barry Canada]

David,
Would you happen to know an accessible book of this type of music?
Barry

[DavidKOS]

David,
Would you happen to know an accessible book of this type of music?
Barry

If you are on scribd, then you can download the large collection "The-Real-Turkish-Book" as a pdf.

https://www.scribd.com/document/1963...l-Turkish-Book

If not try these websites where you can download individual pieces:

http://www.notaarsivleri.com/eskisit...at_Muzigi.html

http://neyzen.com/ney_klasik_eserler.html

Then there is

https://www.scribd.com/document/2416...aqam-Anthology

also available in 2 volumes:

https://archive.org/details/MAQAMANTHOLOGYBOOKPT1

https://archive.org/details/MAQAMANTHOLOGYBOOKPT2

[Barry Canada]

Thanks, Dave!