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    Calace, Apollon, Jethro, Monroe.

    (I’ve never seen the real Mt Rushmore, but I always thought it was kinda creepy. Which made it perfect in North by Northwest.)

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    Are we doing players, makers, or both?

    The four presidents on Mt. Rushmore were chosen very deliberately. They are certainly not the only “good” presidents. Each represents a milestone in American history. Washington, the Father of our Country, was a no brainer. Jefferson was chosen because he represents the expansion of America (Louisiana Purchase). Lincoln was chosen because he represents the healing of America during and after our greatest crisis and Theodore Roosevelt represents modern America (first president of the 20th century).

    As we think about this interesting mental exercise, we should consider the history of the mandolin and its performance. Not just making a list of our four favorite players. Thinking about it like that, there’s no way our Mount Rushmore should just have 4 bluegrass artists, as important as that genre is.so here are some questions for consideration, using the real Mt. Rushmore as a pattern:

    Who was the Father of the Mandolin?
    Who was responsible for the greatest expansion of mandolin playing?
    Who was responsible for ushering the mandolin into the modern age?

    I left out the crisis because I’m not aware of any crisis in the mandolin world analogous to the Civil War!

    Does thinking about it in this way change anybody’s choices?
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    My personal mandolin inspirations are Thile, Grisman, Statman, and Zanes. Thile's hands/technique, Grisman's vision, Statman's soul, and Dan Zanes as feet of clay and a reminder you needn't be a technical marvel to make music that makes people happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by multidon View Post

    Who was the Father of the Mandolin?
    The whole Vinaccia clan (some musicologists believe that the modern steel-string mandolins were developed in Naples by the Vinaccia family) deserves this accolade, but I vote for Pasquale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by multidon View Post
    Are we doing players, makers, or both?

    The four presidents on Mt. Rushmore were chosen very deliberately. They are certainly not the only “good” presidents. Each represents a milestone in American history. Washington, the Father of our Country, was a no brainer. Jefferson was chosen because he represents the expansion of America (Louisiana Purchase). Lincoln was chosen because he represents the healing of America during and after our greatest crisis and Theodore Roosevelt represents modern America (first president of the 20th century).

    As we think about this interesting mental exercise, we should consider the history of the mandolin and its performance. Not just making a list of our four favorite players. Thinking about it like that, there’s no way our Mount Rushmore should just have 4 bluegrass artists, as important as that genre is.so here are some questions for consideration, using the real Mt. Rushmore as a pattern:

    Who was the Father of the Mandolin?
    Who was responsible for the greatest expansion of mandolin playing?
    Who was responsible for ushering the mandolin into the modern age?

    I left out the crisis because I’m not aware of any crisis in the mandolin world analogous to the Civil War!

    Does thinking about it in this way change anybody’s choices?
    Actually, Roosevelt was chosen because he was good friends with Gutson Borglum, the designer of Rushmore. It was one of his many demands.
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    I left out the crisis because I’m not aware of any crisis in the mandolin world analogous to the Civil War!
    You need to read some of the 'A' vs 'F'-style threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Moss View Post
    Actually, Roosevelt was chosen because he was good friends with Gutson Borglum, the designer of Rushmore. It was one of his many demands.
    ...And also because he initiated the national parks/national monument system, of which Mt. Rushmore is an example. I've often thought TR the "junior partner" of the four -- not that he wasn't an important president, but I'd hardly rank him with Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln. Were we selecting presidents now, I'd surely put FDR ahead of his cousin -- but that's me...

    I still think we need to decide whether our "Mando-Rushmore" should recognize only mandolin players, or should include designers, builders, inventors who contributed to the instrument's design and development. No one now has ever heard Calace, Gibson, or Loar play a note, so how do you rate them vs. Monroe, Burns, Apollon etc.?
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    ...And also because he initiated the national parks/national monument system, of which Mt. Rushmore is an example. I've often thought TR the "junior partner" of the four -- not that he wasn't an important president, but I'd hardly rank him with Washington, Jefferson and Lincoln. Were we selecting presidents now, I'd surely put FDR ahead of his cousin -- but that's me...

    I still think we need to decide whether our "Mando-Rushmore" should recognize only mandolin players, or should include designers, builders, inventors who contributed to the instrument's design and development. No one now has ever heard Calace, Gibson, or Loar play a note, so how do you rate them vs. Monroe, Burns, Apollon etc.?
    Dicey question. Washington and Jefferson were architects of the new republic, and Lincoln was a founder of the post-bellum union. So by that logic, Orville Gibson and maybe Lloyd Loar should be included. But players like Bill Monroe and Jethro Burns were pivotal in the history of the instrument and are quite worthy of inclusion (IMHO). So I guess this is my way of saying those would be my choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenhopkins View Post
    Is this "players only?" What about Orville Gibson and/or Lloyd Loar?
    I was thinking Lloyd Loar too.

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    As always, the best part of these threads is getting names of mandolinists that you’ve overlooked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by multidon View Post
    Are we doing players, makers, or both?

    The four presidents on Mt. Rushmore were chosen very deliberately. They are certainly not the only “good” presidents. Each represents a milestone in American history. Washington, the Father of our Country, was a no brainer. Jefferson was chosen because he represents the expansion of America (Louisiana Purchase). Lincoln was chosen because he represents the healing of America during and after our greatest crisis and Theodore Roosevelt represents modern America (first president of the 20th century).

    As we think about this interesting mental exercise, we should consider the history of the mandolin and its performance. Not just making a list of our four favorite players. Thinking about it like that, there’s no way our Mount Rushmore should just have 4 bluegrass artists, as important as that genre is.so here are some questions for consideration, using the real Mt. Rushmore as a pattern:

    Who was the Father of the Mandolin?
    Who was responsible for the greatest expansion of mandolin playing?
    Who was responsible for ushering the mandolin into the modern age?

    I left out the crisis because I’m not aware of any crisis in the mandolin world analogous to the Civil War!



    Does thinking about it in this way change anybody’s choices?
    My first list seemed to me to be the important milestone players. Not necessarily my favourites, and not necessarily the best. But I did look at influence and importance. Of course these are your players that lead to modern bluegrass and new grass.

    The classical players might think, hmmm. No, Appolon, avital, Lichtenberg and Thile. The jazzers might think burns, gamble stienberg and moore.

    Of course there’s blues players, yank, young, Cooder Del Grosso

    It’s why I like it as an idea.
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    Of course there’s blues players, yank, young, Cooder Del Grosso
    Yup. I would amend that a bit, though, to add Howard Armstrong. Yank Rachell and Rich Del Grosso--Yes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by allenhopkins View Post
    I still think we need to decide whether our "Mando-Rushmore" should recognize only mandolin players, or should include designers, builders, inventors who contributed to the instrument's design and development.
    I suppose each responder can decide this for themselves, but for me it was a no-brainer, since we were talking Rushmore I thought "history" and would be silly to think only of players.
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    Ok, the with the reasoning behind the real Mt. Rushmore choices, how about this?

    Pasquale Vinaccia, the Father of the steel string mandolin
    Lloyd Loar, the father of the modern mandolin
    Bill Monroe, for popularizing the mandolin in our country and around the world
    Chris Thile, for transcending genres and bringing mandolin playing into the modern age.

    2 players, two makers/ designers? What say you? I followed the pattern of the real Mt. Rushmore. Except I didn’t pick Thile because we’re friends!
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    Monroe, Burns, Grisman, Thile
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    Quote Originally Posted by multidon View Post
    Ok, the with the reasoning behind the real Mt. Rushmore choices, how about this?

    Pasquale Vinaccia, the Father of the steel string mandolin
    Lloyd Loar, the father of the modern mandolin
    Bill Monroe, for popularizing the mandolin in our country and around the world
    Chris Thile, for transcending genres and bringing mandolin playing into the modern age.

    2 players, two makers/ designers? What say you? I followed the pattern of the real Mt. Rushmore. Except I didn’t pick Thile because we’re friends!
    I like that lineup! Similar to mine, though I chose Americans and Grisman over Thile as his musical direction informed Thile and other modern genre-busting mandolinists.
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    To include people having a big influence on the mandolin world I'd nominate Scott Tichenor who enables us to have such discussions!
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    Monroe, Grisman, Wakefield, Statman

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    Vinaccia - Loar - Apollon - Monroe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by samlyman View Post
    Nobody, I would leave the mountain in its natural state and ride my fat bike there with a mandolin slung over my shoulder and have a picnic and play old-time music once I get to the summit.
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    If Monroe was up there, everybody would wait for his headstock scroll to tumble down the mountainside, taking a few tourists with it.
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    As a musician I would never want to associated with anyone who rushes more.
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    Good question. I'll weigh in with: Jethro, Apollon, Grisman, Monroe. But there needs to be a classical mandolinist like Simon Mayer or someone I don't know about because I don't follow that genre

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gunter View Post
    I like that lineup! Similar to mine, though I chose Americans and Grisman over Thile as his musical direction informed Thile and other modern genre-busting mandolinists.
    I should have imagined that a Mt. Rushmore-based question would indicate an American bias.

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    Ostroushko, Heikki Lahti, Ale Moller, Grisman.

    As one can tell, I don't play or really listen to bluegrass.

    If all American, Ostroushko, Burns, Rachell, Grisman.
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