Harmony 'Patrician' / Monterrey

[macriogh]

Hi folks,

New to the forums here, but joined to find information on my Grandmother's old Mandolin.

From what I have found online and on these forums it looks like it is a Harmony Monterrey. However, it has 'Patrician' on the headstock.

The inside is stamped with 1606H417, but I have not seen any F/S oval stamp anywhere inside.

Any help in identifying this would be awesome

photos attached (I think)

[MikeEdgerton]

Monterey is a model like Patrician was. Both were built by Harmony and it doesn't change the value. Without the date stamp we need a catalog page from one of our members. The tuners will place it before the late 60's when they went to the higher ratio tuning machines. The question is how many years before? That kidney shaped tailpiece cover might or might not be original. I believe that cover fits on the same base as the Waverly Cloud tailpiece that we are used to seeing.

Added: The tailpiece cover is probably original, I just found a catalog page of Harmony mandolins with that tailpiece as early as the mid 30's.

Harmony apparently used that H417 model number for decades on dissimilar instruments.

[colorado_al]

Are there any other markings inside? Like an F-45 or S-45? That would indicate the year of manufacture.
Meaning First half of 1945, or Second half of 1945, etc

[MikeEdgerton]

From the OP

but I have not seen any F/S oval stamp anywhere inside

[macriogh]

Added: The tailpiece cover is probably original, I just found a catalog page of Harmony mandolins with that tailpiece as early as the mid 30's.

I found a photo of my Grandmother holding this in Europe during WWII. My guess is that she bought it somewhere in Europe during the war

[mandrian]

Hi,

Looks very similar to my Marwin Jewel made by Harmony in 1940.



Regards