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    Black-dyed pear over holly veneer.
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    Top bound ivoriod/black/white binding. First the inner black/white purfling is installed and then the outer ivoriod.
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    Tapering the peghead and gluing the back veneer.
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    Drilling for the tuners.
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    I've never understood how your dealing with the angled end of the PH with this method. Are you using extra thick binding?

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    Yes, the outer ivoroid is extra thick in the areas needed. This photo shows how thick the binding is on the large scroll before shaping the peghead.
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    Thanks for sharing your process and photos Troy. Do you have a source for pear wood that you would share?
    Also, do you dye it yourself?

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    A&M Wood Specialty
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    I bought it as dyed-black pear veneer. I tried dyeing it myself early on and it was a huge mess.
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    Very nice work Troy!
    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hilburn View Post
    I've never understood how your dealing with the angled end of the PH with this method. Are you using extra thick binding?
    Some folks (Tom Ellis among them) use thicker binding so the front surface shows same thickness all around the headstockafter the angled cut but generally you always see some of the side so the binding thickness always appears inconsistent on headstock from almost any angle. Old Gibsons didn't do this extra step though their top IBW binding was a bit thicker to start with than typical binding you can get from suppliers today and their side-binding was (typically?) the same material they used for top bound bodies just laid on side (and thus width was no concern) and showing ivory grain on front of headstock.
    Troy, have you tried binding the overlays before gluing it to headstock? I've always done it before gluing to headstock but I'm considering doing it like you on my next mandolin.
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    Once I started gluing the binding to the overlay before glued to headstock, I never looked back.

    I like it so much I even tried gluing the binding to the backplate before gluing it to the rim, but that didnt work out quite as well.

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    Thanks Adrian, I’ve tried various methods, including installing the binding to the veneer before gluing onto the peghead. At one point, I even tried shaping the sides of the veneer to the same finished shape of the sides of the peghead, and then shaping the binding to fit the angles. I attached a couple photos. It’s a clever method but more complicated. Binding the veneer first worked okay, but I didn’t like leveling the bottom of the veneer before gluing to the peghead. I much prefer gluing the veneer to the peghead before the binding. With this method, I have greater control over the binding thickness and height.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Harris View Post
    Thanks Adrian, I’ve tried various methods, including installing the binding to the veneer before gluing onto the peghead. At one point, I even tried shaping the sides of the veneer to the same finished shape of the sides of the peghead, and then shaping the binding to fit the angles. I attached a couple photos. It’s a clever method but more complicated. Binding the veneer first worked okay, but I didn’t like leveling the bottom of the veneer before gluing to the peghead. I much prefer gluing the veneer to the peghead before the binding. With this method, I have greater control over the binding thickness and height.
    The levelling of the bottom is the tricky part on side bound headstocks, not so much with top bound. You just scrape the plastic level with wood after gluing. You cannot afford scraping too much from bottom of side-bound veneer before it becomes noticeable, and when the binding compresses and deforms during bending tight curves it is quite a task to estimate where the black line will exactly be once the headstock is trimmed and all scraped flush.
    I never liked any of the angled routing methods and thought that they did it just like they didi fingerboards - certainly binding went on figerboards before it was glued to neck - but the small scroll is very easy to crack during the binding if the plastic is not bent perfectly and you force it a bit (DAMHIKT). Perhaps using layered overlay like they did (basically thin plywood) would prevent this.
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    I got started by routing the finished peghead going back to the Siminoff book in '79.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Hilburn View Post
    I got started by routing the finished peghead going back to the Siminoff book in '79.
    I did that on my first mandolin (or did I cut the ledge with knife?). I hated it epecially on ebony. Cutting overlay to size before binding is as easy as it gets. I suppose folks at Gibson cut and shaped several overlays at once held together with pins - that's why we see all the odd positions of inlay when one of inlaid veneers wasn't glued in proper place or the overlay blank was off when pinned together. I would love to be there - after making thousands of mandolins they certainly perfected the effectiveness of their methods.
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    Adrian, after I wil the lotto, I think you might have a visitor! I’d really enjoy an evening of slivovits (sp?) and chatting differences in how “they” did it and how the construction methods have changed. If I win, there just might a small “entourage” from close by making a little visit.
    You don’t have to worry, I have never won anything more than the “V-Pick” thing in my life but, letting my wife tell her job to have a nice day and a cool trip with some friends would be delightful. I’d need to make a side trip to Hungary and who knows where else, of course! I’d need to see Ivan in the UK and another electronic buddy in Aberdeen before I came home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbofood View Post
    Adrian, after I wil the lotto, I think you might have a visitor! I’d really enjoy an evening of slivovits (sp?) and chatting differences in how “they” did it and how the construction methods have changed. If I win, there just might a small “entourage” from close by making a little visit.
    You don’t have to worry, I have never won anything more than the “V-Pick” thing in my life but, letting my wife tell her job to have a nice day and a cool trip with some friends would be delightful. I’d need to make a side trip to Hungary and who knows where else, of course! I’d need to see Ivan in the UK and another electronic buddy in Aberdeen before I came home.
    Ain’t dreaming Grand?
    Hey Tim, slivovica (reads something like "sleev-o-vits-ah" here) is always in the refrigerator in case of guests coming by (of course homemade of hand-picked plums @54% from parents of my wife - you would probably call it moonshine in the US but the distillation was done at official distillery, I remember my grandfather used to do it all at home, but these days it is simpler to let pro's do the job for a fee). I would probably disapoint you by not drinking with you (I don't drink alcohol at all) but the more would be left for you :-). I admit I'm a black sheep of family (my parents come from wine center of the country and both grandfathers had wine cellars with large barrels presses etc.)
    Just let me know when you win and will be around! :-)

    Back to topic: I just didi bind fretboard with IBW side binding. Went OK just holding it with hand against flat board with waxed paper. A drop of CA to the binding between each two frets and some pressure with fingers. We've got it simpler with modern glues. I think they used board with nails and wedges to hold the binding while the glue dried....
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