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    Hi Andy - Thanks for putting me right. When i looked at the player listing on the LP cover,i looked at the name before the instrument,instead of the one after the instrument - Vernon Derrick it is.

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    I love the look of the Northfield F2S? The YT vids of those make them look and sound wonderful... wish I could afford one.
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    Hi Ivan - I too am a big fan of "Big Country" and the rest of the "Big And Country Instrumentals" LP. I love Vernon Derrick's playing--he seems to be an underrated virtuoso from a great period in Jimmy Martin's music. I especially enjoy the way Derrick detours into the minor pentatonic on "Big Country" and several of the other tunes on that recording, really straight tunes like "Red Rooster" (Coming Round the Mountain) and "You Are My Sunshine"--all of a sudden, seemingly from out of nowhere, he breaks into a bluesy variation that nevertheless works perfectly.

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    When the Kentucky Colonels were on the Andy Griffith show (they were called the Country Boys), Roland played a sweet oval hole F. If Roland White thought it good enough for bluegrass, it is. Oh, and that is "The Antique" Clarence is playing, with the original replacement long fretboard with dots and missing pickguard. I think after Tony Rice acquired it and had it restored (as it was completely wrecked), he replaced the fretboard and kept it long, but without the dots and put on a pickguard, black at first before going to a real tortoise shell one he got in Japan in the 1980's.


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    On another Andy Griffith show, Dean Webb (the Darling family/Dillardís) also plays an F-4 so, the thrust of this whole thing seems to be in the hands of the player and/or ears of the beholder. They sound different but, neither (as far as Iím concerned) is wrong.
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    Have a couple of friends who own older Weber Gallatin F models with oval soundhole. Great sounding mandos, IMO. And perfect for Irish and Celtic, IMO. Then again, I have a bias for mandolins without binding.

    I also like the sound of the old Gibson F4 (and F2) but when trying to play them, never fell in love with them. Guess I just prefer the A style.
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    A lot of the old records were made with those old oval hole mandolins. Probably more than most folks realize. Possibly more than were made with f-5's.

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    Hey Len,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Torpedotom View Post
    I know that most oval hole mandolins are As and are usually not used for bluegrass but Irish and Celtic. The Fs on the other hand are usually f-holes and used for bluegrass. There are always exceptions to these so would an oval hole F be the best of both worlds if you were looking to cover all genres? Just a thought.
    F4 type* is oval hole with the fancy bits , there are hybrids shifting the bridge so as to use a neck with a few frets further up the neck

    off the body .. so that is like an F5 without the F holes ..

    you play what music appeals to you .... they all have the same notes on the fingerboard.

    * there was F 2 & 3 also.. like the A 1,2,3,4, trim and features varied..




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    I have a Kentucky KM171 A oval that will have to do me for a good long while now that my ntm KM1500 is on the way. I use my oval for Dylan stuff, older country rock stuff I play here at the house, so it doesn't have to have a good chop or be real loud. But if I get a chance, I WILL have an F oval someday.

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    Just sayin'

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    This one belongs to my wife...

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    It's a Mark Bluett, from Pa.

    Sound?... quite different from my own F-holes.... not as much projection, more resonances....maybe a bit 'warmer'.
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    No instrument actually achieves that mythical best of both worlds. As a primarily Celtic player, I have found that Since my particular celtic style is, ahem, a tad aggressive, I prefer an instrument with f-holes, because that bluegrass setup gives ideal response in those take-no-prisoners scenes. I sometimes yearn for the sweeter, more sustained tones of a roundhole and I'll probably give into that again--already have a wee Seagull S8 but eventually with go farther up the food chain. Meanwhile the old Eastman 505 is my go-to for absolutely any session situation. I like that F4 look and feel and would love to end up owning one of those--but it could as easily be a flattop roundhole, perhaps a Sobell-type "large body" that would be my dream in that category. (To speak to your question, yes an F4, or A4 might very well,be the instru,ent that could play both styles well. You'd have to find a particularly loud one though.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pheffernan View Post
    Was surprised to see this one still available... so I nabbed it! :-)

    As for the oval hole thing, I find them to have more of a bell-like ringing tone ( a bit more sustain) than the ff holed isntruments. YMMV

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerry Cassidy View Post
    Was surprised to see this one still available... so I nabbed it! :-)

    As for the oval hole thing, I find them to have more of a bell-like ringing tone ( a bit more sustain) than the ff holed isntruments. YMMV
    I got the Arches F4 a couple of days ago, and in line with my experience with Arches mandolins, it is a cannon (impeccable build as well. Chris is good). It's definitely the loudest F4 I have ever played. So, being heard in a jam situation shouldn't be a problem. That being said, to my ears the oval holed instruments ring, or more technically, have more sustain than ff holed instruments. Thus, there is less note-to-note separation. Somebody, say in a bluegrass situation, who plays machine gun barrages of notes might not appreciate that.
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