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    Default December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Honeysuckle Rose 1 MP3.mp3

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    Honeysuckle Rose was the winner of this months poll. Attached is a chord chart and also the music notation for the melody. If someone complains about copyrights, I'll have to remove the melody.

    Also attached are two play along files for you to download. MP3 #1 is 140 BPM straight jazz backup, MP3 #2 is 125 BPM and Gypsy backup. Of course if you want to do your own back files, go ahead!

    The form is
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    Head

    Post links to videos or other sound files (like Soundcloud, etc) on this thread to keep them all together. Looking forward to this!

    Sorry, I don't know why the PDF files are showing up as black boxes, but the files are there, just click the black box!
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    Thanks Pete! I'll get to work on it....wonder if there's a way to make this more "visible"?

    The lack of replies makes me wonder if most people saw your post....I know a lot of people were certainly interested...

    I only saw it after thinking "hmmm wonder if Pete posted the tune yet" + then I went searching in the forum...
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    I think interested parties will find it, don't worry. You can be sure that there were probably a few more interested folk than those who actually wrote in the thread, "I know a lot of people were certainly interested"

    Thanks, Pete.
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    https://soundcloud.com/david-m-brown-2/honeysuckle

    Someone has to go first!

    I call this Honey-"trying to get my fingers to work on a cold morning"-suckle rose.

    Recorded on my Fischbach flatback mandolin, single take no edits. I liked the Gypsy jazz backing track's sound but it was too slow - I usually like to play this tune even faster than the 140 BPM track.

    Thanks Pete.

    i'm looking forward to hearing your entries.
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    For any interested parties who are "jazz novices" (like me) here is a page that explains "head" and "choruses"
    http://www.jazzinamerica.org/LessonPlan/11/2/160
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Sorry everyone, in Jazz-speak "head" is the melody, "chorus" is one time through the tune, usually improvised.

    Thus this arrangement is

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    Here is my submission. This one is a few years old...
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Sweet! Thanks for posting your playing, Pete. Nice use of space between phrases too.

    Now why didn't I remember to use octaves? Or full chords like you did at about 4 minutes in?

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    David and Pete, great stuff!

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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    That was great Pete. I also like the chordal work.
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    On it soon, thanks for posting
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    I don't Know Why i can't download your mp3 files.

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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Try right-click and save to your device? If you click an mp3 here normally (left-click) sometimes you get a funky page with an .html extension.
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    QUESTION: For you Jazz guys - Can anybody recommend what scale/scales I can practice in preparation for improvising on this tune? I had great fun last night learning the melody and playing along, but my attempts at improvising have not much basis in any roadmap - sort of like hunting and pecking on a typewriter - and the result is not very good.
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    I havé an .html extension...full of €@AIW&@....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gunter View Post
    QUESTION: For you Jazz guys - Can anybody recommend what scale/scales I can practice in preparation for improvising on this tune? I had great fun last night learning the melody and playing along, but my attempts at improvising have not much basis in any roadmap - sort of like hunting and pecking on a typewriter - and the result is not very good.
    Mark, we all sounded like hunting and pecking when we started playing Jazz

    You COULD just play the entire piece using nothing but the F major scale. While there are some places that is not ideal, it will work. It is a good place to start.

    ONE (of a zillion) ways to look at what you can play is to look at the chords and write out the notes to them. This is very basic music theory knowledge that really helps when you play this stuff.

    Gm7 = G Bb D F
    C7 = C E G Bb
    F6 = F A C D
    F7 = F A C Eb
    Bb6 = Bb D F G
    G7 = G B D F

    F major scale = F G A Bb C D E F

    Notice that the notes for the chords Gm7, C7, F6, Bb6 are all notes of the F major scale? That one scale will play all those parts of the tune well!

    For the F7 chord, play the F major scale and change the E notes to Eb (The Bb major scale is what you get), and for the G7 chord, change the Bb notes to B (the C major scale is what you get).

    This is the quickest kind of "down and dirty" way to get through Jazz changes that I know.

    I also suggest practicing improvising against each chord for a period of time. Start with the first chord, then the second, then against both. I describe that method in this video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=sIWhPfS3IIY

    I apologize to everyone here as it may appear I'm doing this to push my website, lessons, etc. I will try to keep this to a minimum, but I will link to things I feel may help folks learn. I want to show folks Jazz is very learnable, even though when we start, it looks quite daunting.
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    Try using only a few of the melody notes, like just the higher C and the nearby A, and scale fragments in that range. For me the feeling of the tune is the suspension, the holding in air, of the higher C and the coy A, before relaxing (resolving) to F major.

    Or try going upward where the melody goes down, like starting on the lower C and playing the pentatonic arpeggio up to the higher one. Use the melody, as Bill Monroe suggested.

    Other moves are to emphasize one note, like the ones common to Gm and C7, and the suspension note of A over either. A teacher in Chicago has students improvise using one note, so the statement is rhythm but also when you play that note relative to the chord at that time. Like just playing the A over both Gm and C7 chords makes a feeling of suspending in the air, and you can relax by resolving up or down at the place where the melody resolves, the end of the line.

    Another idea might be to take the rhythm and melody shape from the A and B sections and switch them. Like use upward- or downward- moving half notes starting from a G to go up, or an F to go down for the A section.

    Then you can take the melody pattern in its first bar and transpose it up a fourth to fit over the F7 harmony in the B section. As in F Eb G Bb D, which could go all the way, and repeat a whole step higher for fitting over the G7 harmony.

    A few good notes are enough. I like to echo the bits of melody like the intervals, perhaps with different timing. Or take the rhythmic element (da-da-da-da-daah) and repeat with different notes. Or just play the two main chords, the minor 2 and the major 5 and play them with different voicings, moving up or down.

    That should keep you busy.
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Gunter View Post
    QUESTION: For you Jazz guys - Can anybody recommend what scale/scales I can practice in preparation for improvising on this tune? I had great fun last night learning the melody and playing along, but my attempts at improvising have not much basis in any roadmap - sort of like hunting and pecking on a typewriter - and the result is not very good.
    You may have the alphabet but not the words...or the words but not the sentences...or sentences but not the overall theme of the paragraph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete Martin View Post
    Mark, we all sounded like hunting and pecking when we started playing Jazz

    You COULD just play the entire piece using nothing but the F major scale. ...

    ONE (of a zillion) ways to look at what you can play is to look at the chords and write out the notes to them.

    ..... I want to show folks Jazz is very learnable, even though when we start, it looks quite daunting.
    RIGHT ON!

    This song is almost all in F, but the bridge goes to Bb for a measure or so...then more V7's to C7..gets us back to the basic F key.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Wright View Post
    Try using only a few of the melody notes, like just the higher C and the nearby A, and scale fragments in that range. For me the feeling of the tune is the suspension, the holding in air, of the higher C and the coy A, before relaxing (resolving) to F major.
    ......
    A few good notes are enough. I like to echo the bits of melody like the intervals, perhaps with different timing. Or take the rhythmic element (da-da-da-da-daah) and repeat with different notes. Or just play the two main chords, the minor 2 and the major 5 and play them with different voicings, moving up or down.

    That should keep you busy.
    Lots of good ideas here...but you need to know basic chords and scales before you can really play with echoing ideas, abstracting melodies, etc.

    Pete brought up using the basic chord arpeggios of the song to use as a basis for soloing, along with a sense of what key you are at any moment.

    This is a key to jazz, really knowing your chords. All my teachers were big on this.

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    dupe
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    All good stuff and thank you very much.

    ... and that goes double for David's response
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Something to bookmark. Transcribed solos, and not just sax, but also trumpet, guitar, piano, bass and "other" (vibes, violin, trombone)

    http://www.saxopedia.com/transcriptions-sax/

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    Here's some examples of what I mean above:

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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Quote Originally Posted by mandocrucian View Post
    Something to bookmark. Transcribed solos, and not just sax, but also trumpet, guitar, piano, bass and "other" (vibes, violin, trombone)

    http://www.saxopedia.com/transcriptions-sax/
    That's a great resource. There is a transcription of Zoot Sims' Honeysuckle Rose in the key of F: Honeysuckle Rose
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    Default Re: December Jazz Tune of the Month: Honeysuckle Rose

    Great stuff so far and already some very good educational tips.
    I don't sight read music very well to play so I've gone through and just written the letter of the note for them all. Now to learn to play it!!
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    In addition to the stuff above, I also try to arpeggiate through the chords and only utilize a half step, or no step, when changing from chord to chord. And not always starting on the root of the chord, or the existing melody note, maybe a chord tone above or below. Just trying to create a new melody against the changes. And there are no wrong notes, only bad choices.

    I've also learned it takes a few weeks to get good at jazz. I must be a slow learner
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    David, That's awesome !

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