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    ...on the Clinch Mtn Backstep video featured on the home page? i give up. Great taste and tone and it really stands out in a crowd!

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    It looks like a Michael Heiden mandolin.........

    http://www.heideninstruments.ca/artists.php
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    Yep,
    That is his Heiden.
    He had a couple of years ago at Montana Old Time Fiddlers Camp.
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    I maybe wrong, but it is highly doubtful.

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    Thanks very much. Although a bit different, i like the sound of that Heiden as much as his Loar.

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    John says it's a 2007 Heiden Heritage model, made with reclaimed 100 year old red spruce. He also said he wouldn't sell it to me.
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    John and the Jaybirds played here on Wed. last week, I was talking to him and suggesting he do an album of swing and jazz standards as I'd been listening to some of the Tony Rice Unit stuff. I would have asked about the Heiden if I'd known he was interested in selling it (not that I could afford it). It is IMHO the most beautiful mandolin I've ever seen with it's understated color, trim and workmanship. And the tone and sound is equally wonderful.
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    It could very well be this one,although i believe that he's had more than one Heiden,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Kelsall View Post
    It could very well be this one,although i believe that he's had more than one Heiden,
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    It's probably the one in your picture. Heiden has made less than a dozen Heritage models. JR owns one and so do I. Michael Heiden will be finishing one up for Emory Lester later this year.

    Mine is #107, and used to be owned by Ry Cooder. When JR played it he said it might sound a little better than his. He's mentioned perhaps bringing it to next summer's Mando & Banjo Week, when we'll get to compare them, and if Emory brings his too, we'll have three Heritage models together for a real 'tasting.'

    You can find lots more pictures and my extensive review of #107 here. Click on the photos below for a closer view.

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    All unexpectedly good info and pics! i seem to recall another F5 he used to play that was Loar inspired and there were some back to back recordings comparing the clone and Loar. Hmmm...but maybe that was a Red Diamond. Everything JR records with seems to sound spectacular.

    Don, wouldn't the Heritage be a fine sibling to your Heiden A?

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    If I remember correctly John told me the other Heiden that his daughter Vanessa was playing had been sold. The audio comparison test between the Loar and John's Heiden is on Michael Heiden's website. I'm going down to Michael's shop in a couple weeks so maybe I'll get to see Emory Lester's F5 there. I'm 79 this month and having a Heiden dreadnaught built... how's that for optimism?Dave
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    Here's a link to the video for posterity (Homepage news changes, so) ...

    or, as Jim Garber might say, for "hysterical porpoises":

    https://pegheadnation.com/featured-v...tain-backstep/
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    Hey "rockies," I like your optimism. I like to think of Pablo Casals who lived to be in his upper 90's, all the while playing the cello.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan in va View Post
    Don, wouldn't the Heritage be a fine sibling to your Heiden A?
    It'd do, but it's beyond my pay grade. There's a brand new Heritage on Heiden's site--a gorgeous mandolin. Also a 2015 F5, an archtop guitar and a GBOM. All beautiful instruments and I bet the real deals for tone.

    I'm waiting for a used Heiden Engelmann top A5 to show up for sale cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockies View Post
    John and the Jaybirds played here on Wed. last week, I was talking to him and suggesting he do an album of swing and jazz standards as I'd been listening to some of the Tony Rice Unit stuff. I would have asked about the Heiden if I'd known he was interested in selling it (not that I could afford it). It is IMHO the most beautiful mandolin I've ever seen with it's understated color, trim and workmanship. And the tone and sound is equally wonderful.
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    Hi Dave, I have to sell my (mint) #108 Heritage for a number of reasons, in case you are interested. The only 'hurdle' might be my geographical location (Australia).

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    Thanks for the info. & photos Jim. I've always regarded the Heiden 'Heritage' mandolins as possibly the very finest mandolins that Michael Heiden has ever built - & that's saying a lot !!. Their appearance is striking to say the very least,they simply ooze visual quality. I've only played one Heiden mandolin,the "A" style belonging to a friend of mine' & tonally,it was indistinguishable from my own Ellis "A" style,which as far as i'm concerned is a compliment,as i put Tom Elli's mandolins on the top shelf with regards to build/tone.

    But those Heiden 'Heritage' models !!
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    I managed to play one of the Heritage models a few years ago. It was simply gorgeous. It remains the only other mandolin I have ever played that I liked as much as my Ellis. Played various good ones.... even some far more expensive than either the Heiden or the Ellis... but nothing I liked as much...both of them were/are just everything I could wish for in an instrument.
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    A buddy of mine has a Heritage model. It is a stunningly beautiful mandolin with a very deep, dark tone. Almost mandola-ish. At the opposite end of the spectrum from traditionally fundamental bluegrass tone. For an all around good mandolin it's hard to beat my Englemann topped A5. And no, it's not for sale..... I've had it for about 10 years now. Many, MANY mandolins have come and gone in that time period but the A5 spoke to me the most. It's no secret around here that I'm a Heiden fan but Michael is a true artist in wires and wood and his instruments are second to none!

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    Bstring, I'm afraid that a Heiden Heritage is not in the cards for me. I already own a Heiden A #41 (which I love) and I'm selling a bunch of my other items to finance the Heiden dreadnaught guitar being built this winter. I do love the Heiden mandolins (and other instruments) especially the Heritage models. Michael lives only 1-1/2 hours away so I'll get to play or handle the ones in his shop in a couple weeks.
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    Another for your listening pleasure:

    https://pegheadnation.com/featured-v...onlight-waltz/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgarrity View Post
    For an all around good mandolin it's hard to beat my Englemann topped A5. And no, it's not for sale..... I've had it for about 10 years now. Many, MANY mandolins have come and gone in that time period but the A5 spoke to me the most.
    I'm free of Aussie mandolins thanks to Michael and Tom Ellis. And i've owned almost as many mandolins as Shaun.
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    A Heiden Heritage model F5, #108 (one number away from my #107) has just popped up for sale in the classifieds...
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    Interesting that 107 & 108 appear to have been made from different top woods (Red vs Sitka) although both woods are over 100 years old. Michael must have a nice stash of old stuff.

    My 2-point, also from 2009, has Engelmann, but is not from the 'Heritage' series.
    I can hardly wait to hear what Emory's new instrument sounds like.

    Michael makes great stuff!!
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    I really like John Reischman's break on Lonesome Moonlight Waltz. I think different mandolins bring out different ways of playing or approaches to playing. Looks like Joe Walsh likes the break too when you watch his reaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmagill View Post
    A Heiden Heritage model F5, #108 (one number away from my #107) has just popped up for sale in the classifieds...
    The seller seems to be in a difficult spot, but $23K USD is an ambitious asking price, especially as Michael has a 2017 Heritage Model on his website for less.
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    John talks about his Heritage model: https://pegheadnation.com/instrument...-heritage-f-5/

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