Ron Oates Lack of Customer Service

**mangolin** · Apr-10-2007, 9:52pm

thanks moose. your comic interjections on this thread were one of the things that helped make the burden easier.
karl

**frankseanez** · Apr-24-2007, 4:18pm

Hey now, all y'all bloggers, floggers and goggers, and of course, Mon Sherry! Anybody outraged enough to sell me their RonO? No? I'm not surprised. They are just too sweet, aint they? But remember, when you get all revved up with indignation about old Ron Oates, you can still sell them to other folks, and get back that cleansed feeling that you had before you first held that bad, bad RonO mando!! Buy yourself a nice Fender!!

Frank Seanez

**Dan Cole** · Apr-24-2007, 5:07pm

This has to be about one of the longest and oldest threads ont his site!

What does a Rono look like?

**mandroid** · Apr-24-2007, 9:44pm

Boulder PD didn't send me a police report , so I can' take the loss off my tax return, guess the loss is still there, un compensated , I'll have to ask directly.

**EdSherry** · May-02-2007, 4:40pm

A RonO just showed up on the SF Bay Area Craig's list, described as "brand new." #Interesting ...

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/323004459.html

**John Rosett** · May-04-2007, 7:41am

Or the Denver craigslist.. http://denver.craigslist.org/msg/304855113.html.

**mandowood** · May-04-2007, 7:46am

That SF Bay area post made it on to the classifieds for at least 10 minutes late last night. Pretty bold move, I'd say.

**250sc** · May-04-2007, 10:28am

Was it sold in 10 minutes or did it get pulled for another reason?

**Scott Tichenor** · May-04-2007, 11:50am

There were no replies to the ad, and I didn't see it until early this morning. It was my decision to remove it and I emailed him and said I wasn't willing to deal with the headaches that would come with hosting ads for him now or in the future, and that he may want to go the eBay or another site that offers these services. And trust me, had that ad been allowed to remain there, I'd be dealing with those headaches right now.

**250sc** · May-04-2007, 12:02pm

Scot,

I thought it was on craigs list??? Was it also in your classified?

I understand about the headaches. He should make good on previous contracts or refund deposits before pocketing some money for himself.

**EdSherry** · May-08-2007, 4:49pm

RonO is at it again on the SF Craig's List.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/326302063.html

Interestingly, this time the ad does not mention the RonO name.

**otterly2k** · May-08-2007, 6:08pm

hey, at least he's selling this one C.O.D.... so the buyer gets the instrument first!

**mandroid** · May-08-2007, 7:45pm

Should open the box first, then hand over the check, after you know its not an empty carton .

**Steve Cantrell** · May-08-2007, 7:51pm

On the other hand...this could be the chance to get that mando some of you guys are owed. Just a thought.

**mrmando** · May-08-2007, 10:18pm

How ... pay the COD charges with a bad check?

**mandroid** · May-09-2007, 2:28am

can COD checks be run back thru the D.A, ? to get paid is to receive a summons..

**thistle3585** · May-09-2007, 8:25am

If you pay with a bad check what is he going to do? Take you to court? The moment he shows up in court he gets arrested.

Mandroid, you should contact the DA and tell her you'll take the mandolin as payment. Maybe she can negotiate that.

**Lee** · May-09-2007, 11:58am

If Craig's List sells RonO's mandolin, knowing he's got an outstanding summon's for reneging on a previous mandolin transaction, would Craig'sList be aiding and abetting a criminal?

**EdSherry** · May-09-2007, 12:45pm

The listing says COD with a money order, not a check. #In my experience, delivery services are pretty literal about only accepting the form of COD payment specified by the shipper. (If the seller specifies that the buyer must pay with a money order and UPS accepts a check that bounces, UPS is in trouble.)#

In any case, I would NOT recommend paying for it with a bad check. #That will get YOU in trouble.

Lee -- Craig's List does not "sell" anything, and I doubt that the folks who run Craig's List "know" that RonO "has an outstanding summons ..." #

In any case, as a legal matter, I would doubt that a case could be made for "aiding and abetting." #Craig's List did not "aid and abet" RonO's earlier failures to deliver. #And absent some court order, RonO is legally free to sell newly-made instruments to willing buyers. #(Whether he SHOULD do so, given that he owes instruments to people who already paid him their hard-earned money, is of course another matter entirely.)

**mrmando** · May-09-2007, 1:53pm

Well, if I had a list of Ron's creditors in hand, and he'd build some mandolins at cost, I would be happy to sell them on Craig's List or emando.com and use the profits to pay off the debts and help Ron repair some of the damage to his reputation. (That's what *I* think he should be doing.)

Obviously, Ron wants to build what he wants to build, whether or not it corresponds to the orders he's taken. He's entitled to his artistic freedom, but he should be paying back deposits on the instruments he isn't building. (The suggestion that Bob take the present mandolin as payment is a clever solution, but it isn't anything like what Bob ordered.)

And no, I wasn't seriously suggesting that anyone try to pay Ron with a bad check. (If you need a bad money order, I have some pals in Nigeria who can help you out ...

)

**mandroid** · May-18-2007, 6:25pm

Having the history, I wasn't surprised that I wouldn't get a a reply when I used the Craig's list email address, CC'd Clair Hunter at Boulder DA on it , all the same .

**EdSherry** · May-21-2007, 9:54pm

Looks like RonO is at it again:

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/msg/335717715.html

At least this time, he acknowledges it's in Boulder, not (as with the previous listings) supposedly in San Francisco.

**frankseanez** · May-31-2007, 8:35pm

Kibbitzing again, Mon Sherry? To the same end, I see.

Frank

**jmcgann** · Jun-01-2007, 7:53am

Why shouldn't a contractor (or anyone else) who takes your money and doesn't do the job go to jail ?

If I got paid in advance for a bunch of gigs (yeah, right!) and didn't show up, I believe I'd be up to my elbows in alligators...