Page 5 of 5 FirstFirst 12345
Results 101 to 112 of 112

Thread: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

  1. #101
    Full Grown and Cussin' brunello97's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor/Austin
    Posts
    4,899

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Thanks, John.... Yes, I'm growing more familiar with (and fond of) 1193. Nice sound, easy playability, good intonation. I wouldn't call it an "accordion killer"-to meme a BG phrase-but it significantly projects and holds its own. Looks like brand new. You did a marvelous job with it.

    3659 expands the scope of DeM's 1895 production which was the first of a string of boom years for them.

    Mick
    Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again, fail again, fail better.--Samuel Beckett
    ______________________

    '05 Cuisinart Toaster
    '93 Chuck Taylor lowtops
    '12 Stetson Open Road
    '06 Bialetti expresso maker
    '14 Irish Linen Ramon Puig

  2. #102

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Hi Guys

    As long as I can remember we've had this mandolin. I think my father purchased it during his travels in Europe before I was born. Unfortunately it was damaged by a removal company when we moved house - about 23 years back now - really sad as it's such a beautiful instrument. The mandolin has been in my possession since my father's passing and I've now only come to learn more about the mandolin through this thread and some other sources.

    I've attached a photo for your database. It's an 1899 and the S/N is 8949 (or maybe 8919) I think. Looks like a model 1 (A).

    It's been great reading through all your comments.

    Regards,
    Marc.


    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	DSC_0963.jpg 
Views:	24 
Size:	168.3 KB 
ID:	157508

  3. #103
    Registered User Tavy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tavistock UK
    Posts
    3,878

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Some more:

    14318, 1906, model 1A, Cav. Geovanni.
    18042, 1911, model 1, Cav Giovanni.

  4. #104
    Registered User Tavy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Location
    Tavistock UK
    Posts
    3,878

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Here's how the trend looks, I've tidied it up a bit by removing obvious outliers:

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	demeglio chart.jpg 
Views:	21 
Size:	30.6 KB 
ID:	165162

    Seems like boom time started around 1894/5, lasted about 4 or 5 years and then from 1900-10 there's fairly consistent production levels before things drop off quite markedly.

  5. The following members say thank you to Tavy for this post:


  6. #105
    Full Grown and Cussin' brunello97's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor/Austin
    Posts
    4,899

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Thanks, John. My XL file has 116 examples (or 0.56% of DeMeglio's output.....)

    Your estimates on the productivity eras seems right. They did keep at it at least during the beginning of the war years. No examples yet from '17 or '18 yet.

    Still don't have a firm idea of why there were two concurrent serial number systems going on with both a "Giovanni DeM" and a "Cav. Giovanni DeM" putting out what appear to be very similar instruments between at least 1901 and 1905.

    Maybe Vicenzo DeM ran the Cav. operation and Giovanni the Giovanni. Or maybe they were the same operation and just applied different labels.

    And then there's the Ceccherini connection.....

    I haven't played mine in a little bit. That's going to change this evening.

    Mick

    BTW, I just saw your most recent DeMeglio restoration in the classifieds. Nice work!
    Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again, fail again, fail better.--Samuel Beckett
    ______________________

    '05 Cuisinart Toaster
    '93 Chuck Taylor lowtops
    '12 Stetson Open Road
    '06 Bialetti expresso maker
    '14 Irish Linen Ramon Puig

  7. #106
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Halifax, Yorkshire, England
    Posts
    104

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Thanks to Tavy et al. A great example of how the collective wisdom/ knowledge of Café members can benefit us vintage instrument nerds.

    Kevin
    Anglocelt
    mainly Irish & Scottish but open to all dance-oriented melodic music.
    Mandos: Gibson A2, Mike Black A4, Taran Springwell, Shippey Rosewood; TM and OM by J E Dallas (London) & Davidson.

  8. #107

    Smile Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Quote Originally Posted by Tavy View Post
    Here's how the trend looks, I've tidied it up a bit by removing obvious outliers:

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	demeglio chart.jpg 
Views:	21 
Size:	30.6 KB 
ID:	165162

    Seems like boom time started around 1894/5, lasted about 4 or 5 years and then from 1900-10 there's fairly consistent production levels before things drop off quite markedly.
    Hallo. Not sure if this info is helpful for your research? I have a Cav.Giovanni DeMeglio : June 1903 1A Serial No. 2532. Very good and tone good. Been in it's case for 45 years (Apart from the odd occasion). Has several spare string packets too. Thanks!

  9. #108
    Full Grown and Cussin' brunello97's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor/Austin
    Posts
    4,899

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Grazie Mille, Greco.

    Yes, indeed yours makes a nice addition. The 1903 date and serial number fit in where they are expected.

    It is interesting that you say the instrument is a "Cav. Giovanni DeMeglio". Here's why:

    The DeMeglio mandolins we have on record have two different Serial Numbering systems. One SN sequence are labeled as "Cav. Giovanni..." and the other as simply "Giovanni DeMeglio".

    By 1903 the Cav. Giovanni SNs were at 12000+ while the Giovanni SNs were in the 2300-2500 range.

    However, we have a DeMeglio mandolin SN 2549 with the Cav. Giovanni label. I thought this was an aberration but yours is very close in the SN sequence. We don't have any other examples of this crossing of names and SN sequence and none between your 2532 and the aforementioned 2549.


    The dates and SNs track fairly well along between the two systems so one thought I had was that the SNs on the "Giovanni" labels just dropped the initial digit from the "Cav. Giovanni" sequence. If this were somehow plausible there are no collisions between numbers. There don't seem to be any cases where the numbering would be out of phase by the year on the label under this hypothesis. Why they would do this, I couldn't guess.

    Minutia, of course, but interesting to us DeMeglio wonks.

    Do you think you might be able to post some photos of the instrument and a nice clear shot of the label with SN? That would be awesome.

    Thanks for posting!

    Mick
    Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again, fail again, fail better.--Samuel Beckett
    ______________________

    '05 Cuisinart Toaster
    '93 Chuck Taylor lowtops
    '12 Stetson Open Road
    '06 Bialetti expresso maker
    '14 Irish Linen Ramon Puig

  10. #109

    Default DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    [QUOTE=That would be awesome.
    Hallo Mick
    Thanks for your interest and the details about DeMeglio mandolins.I've also read some of the previous info on this thread. Some dedicated work here! I enclose photos of the label and of the instrument, as requested.
    I wonder now if I made a mistake: I took the first "digit" to be a slash:Now I can see my photo it could well be a "1". Interestingly,both would seem to slot nicely into their respective sequences datewise & numberwise?
    Also,out of interest,the label refers to Vincente Successor:Is this a common label?
    Thanks. Best wishes
    Chris
    Yes, indeed yours makes a nice addition. The 1903 date and serial number fit in where they are expected.

    It is interesting that you say the instrument is a "Cav. Giovanni DeMeglio". Here's why:

    The DeMeglio mandolins we have on record have two different Serial Numbering systems. One SN sequence are labeled as "Cav. Giovanni..." and the other as simply "Giovanni DeMeglio".

    By 1903 the Cav. Giovanni SNs were at 12000+ while the Giovanni SNs were in the 2300-2500 range.

    However, we have a DeMeglio mandolin SN 2549 with the Cav. Giovanni label. I thought this was an aberration but yours is very close in the SN sequence. We don't have any other examples of this crossing of names and SN sequence and none between your 2532 and the aforementioned 2549.


    The dates and SNs track fairly well along between the two systems so one thought I had was that the SNs on the "Giovanni" labels just dropped the initial digit from the "Cav. Giovanni" sequence. If this were somehow plausible there are no collisions between numbers. There don't seem to be any cases where the numbering would be out of phase by the year on the label under this hypothesis. Why they would do this, I couldn't guess.

    Minutia, of course, but interesting to us DeMeglio wonks.

    Do you think you might be able to post some photos of the instrument and a nice clear shot of the label with SN? That would be awesome.

    Thanks for posting!

    Mick[/QUOTE]
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Click image for larger version. 

Name:	002.jpg 
Views:	2 
Size:	562.6 KB 
ID:	168191   Click image for larger version. 

Name:	001.jpg 
Views:	8 
Size:	547.9 KB 
ID:	168192  

  11. #110

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Sorry.."VINCENZO".

  12. #111
    Full Grown and Cussin' brunello97's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Ann Arbor/Austin
    Posts
    4,899

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    Thanks, Chris. Yes, indeed that looks like a "1" to me.

    There were a number of different label design types that they used and Vincenzo DeMeglio signature is on many from this period.
    We're away from home right now and I'm away from my files, but I'll check when we're back and post an updated assortment of the DeMeglio labels I have on file and see if other folks have any to add.

    Do you play your DeMeglio?

    Mick
    Ever tried, ever failed, no matter. Try again, fail again, fail better.--Samuel Beckett
    ______________________

    '05 Cuisinart Toaster
    '93 Chuck Taylor lowtops
    '12 Stetson Open Road
    '06 Bialetti expresso maker
    '14 Irish Linen Ramon Puig

  13. #112

    Default Re: DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    [QUOTE=brunello97;1658292]

    Do you play your DeMeglio?

    Mick[Labels/Play]
    Thanks Mick.
    Yes,it would be interesting to see the variation in the DeMeglio labels over the years.Thanks very much.
    Unfortunately I could not do justice to such a fine instrument!However,a friend of mine is a Classical/Country/"Pop" Guitarist and he has played it and enthused about it!!
    All the Best ... Chris
    Last edited by Greco; Jun-06-2018 at 10:54am. Reason: Repetition!

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •