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    Default DeMeglio serial numbers and lables

    OK, so curiosity got the better of me, here are the dates and serial numbers for the DeMeglio's I've owned:

    1893 1546
    1910 16576
    1923 20235

    A few more culled from the net:

    1895 2917
    1896 3889
    1897 6683
    1899 3647 *
    1902 11610
    1905 3412 *

    Obviously those labeled with a * are out of sequence - maybe misread or mis-reported?

    I know there are some DeMeglio owners on the cafe, anyone care to share some more numbers so we can see how they fit in?

    One other curiosity is the label used, the later ones all have the "beware of fakes and forgeries" message:

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    Where as my 1893 version is much simpler and in Italian only - so maybe no forgeries back then?

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    Nice idea, John. We're down in Texas right now but when I get back up north to my files (and DeMegilios) I'll pitch in.

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    John: I have about 50 examples so it may take me awhile to sort them out. Be back soon.
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    Thanks guys, I figured you might have a few between you: Jim, I hope all 50 aren't instruments you own

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    Nah, just from my jpeg collection. Actually I had a nice one I bought on UK eBay and it was wonderful tho I did sell it a year or so ago.
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    John, I had a chance to have a look at my DeMeglios and the ones I have jpegs of in my files. I have 30 or so examples, but the SNs aren't necessarily visible on the labels I have images of.

    Here is what I have:

    1893 Model 2 SN 1706
    1897 Model 2 SN 6183
    1897 Model 1 SN 6683
    1898 Model 1 SN 7764
    1898 Model 1 SN 7925
    1898 Model 1 SN 8089
    189X Model X SN 8452 (Can't see the date)
    1900 Model 2 SN 10006
    1902 Model A SN 2002 Labeled "Giovanni D_" not "Cav. Giovanni D_"
    1904 Model B SN 2844 Labeled "Giovanni D_" not "Cav. Giovanni D_"
    1905 Model 1 SN 13500
    1906 Model 1 SN 14160

    The last two are the ones I have now. A slightly frustrating exercise in that I could only cull so few SNs out of all those examples.

    I hope others chip in now or as other DeMeglios come forward. Are you going to compile a spreadsheet or some kind of data base, John?

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    Thanks, Mick. I will see what I can add. At the moment I am consumed with a freelance job -- deadline is tomorrow and I will see if I can get what I have up here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    I hope others chip in now or as other DeMeglios come forward. Are you going to compile a spreadsheet or some kind of data base, John?
    Well I'm not sure there are enough data points for a full on database - but I'm hoping I'll be able to estimate annual production figures from these and then post the results back here. I figured it might be interesting to see when the greatest numbers were being produced.

    Many thanks for those data points, John.

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    Maybe best to post a few at a time. Here is what I can figure out so far from the 50 jpeg examples I have. Some I don't have clear label pics so it might be somewhat confusing.

    1894 2093 1A
    1895 3381 1A
    1895 1159?? 1A
    1896 4252 1A
    1896 3889 2
    1897 6283 1A
    1897 70?? 1A
    1897 6963 1A
    1897 6183 2
    1898 7095 1A
    1898 8089 1

    More to come... I may have duplicated some of Mick's.
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    Thanks, Jim. Molto bene. I collated what we have here so far and sent you and John a copy. I'd like to turn this into an index we can post up on the cloud and provide editing access to build the data base. Not going to compete with those Gibson Archive folks but I'll bet it buys us a glass of wine or two (and opens some conversations) in Napoli....

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    One more:

    1898: No 7594

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavy View Post
    One more:

    1898: No 7594
    Thanks, John. I updated the DeMeglio SN .xl file and reposted to the Dropbox.

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    I have to get back to my large list and cull out the readable SNs.
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    One more:

    1895 No 2767

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    Oh, I have to check my files for you guys. Thanks for reminding me.
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    And one more:

    1905, No 3132.

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    Here are the rest of the ones I can decipher from my files:

    1901 131? B
    1903 12084 1A
    1903 2486 1A
    1903 2306 4
    1903 1232 1?
    1906 13594? 1A
    1909 15946 1A
    1919 19468? 0
    1922 20071 0
    1923 20176 0

    1897 7198 1A
    1910 19056 0
    1896 2040? 1A
    1896 4209 2
    1922 20140 0
    1905 13143 1A
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    Thanks, Jim and John--I added these to the 'DeMeglio Database'.

    I do have a couple questions though.

    John, the SN you have from 1905 seems out of sequence for the Cav. Giovanni DeM label but in sequence for the Giovanni DeM labels. Does that jibe with the label?

    Likeswise, Jim with the two of yours from 1903 with SNs 2306 and 2486.

    We've got examples from a 30 year time span from DeMeglio. Anyway you slice it that is impressive output from the shop. I realize this type of activity brings out the O/C architect in me, but I do think it provides an interesting overlay of information.

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    BTW, John, have you contacted Dave Hynds. He might have had a few DMs thru his shop.
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    Jim , thanks for the link to Dave Hynds. There are so many useful tips for working on mandolins. Cool !
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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    Thanks, Jim and John--I added these to the 'DeMeglio Database'.

    I do have a couple questions though.

    John, the SN you have from 1905 seems out of sequence for the Cav. Giovanni DeM label but in sequence for the Giovanni DeM labels. Does that jibe with the label?
    I don't have a clear image of the label, but the description says: GIOVANNI DE MEGLIO 1905 MODEL B No 3132.

    Seems like we have two different numbering schemes in use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tavy View Post
    I don't have a clear image of the label, but the description says: GIOVANNI DE MEGLIO 1905 MODEL B No 3132.

    Seems like we have two different numbering schemes in use?
    I think so John. There are the Cav. G. DeMeglio labels. Cav. being an abbreviation for Cavaliere (or knight.) Y'all might remember Felix Cavaliere from The Rascals....

    Those labels have a consistent numbering pattern from at least early '90s to early '20s. There's also the Giovanni DeMeglio label with another numbering system altogether--but also consistent in their own right. At first I thought this Giovanni was the figlio (son) referred to in Cav. G DeM labels, but Giovanni's labels clearly say 'di Vincenzo'. I haven't really tracked a difference between the instruments themselves. Should take a closer look. Not sure what to think.

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    Hello

    Can someone explain the model designations?

    ie. Model 0, A, B, 1, 1A, etc..

    As example, within classical guitars, "A" would designate the premier model, here it seems not the case.
    I may be mistaken of course.

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    Most of the DeMeglio jpegs I have in my file seem to be 1A. I am not sure that is mainly because many of those were exported to the UK. The model 1 seemed to be less fancy with a plain scratchplate. I am at work right now so can't really do a comparison. It would be interesting to see if there are some catalog pages -- maybe in that French site?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Most of the DeMeglio jpegs I have in my file seem to be 1A. I am not sure that is mainly because many of those were exported to the UK. The model 1 seemed to be less fancy with a plain scratchplate. I am at work right now so can't really do a comparison. It would be interesting to see if there are some catalog pages -- maybe in that French site?
    John Maddock may have more evidence, but my recollection is that I've seen examples with model numbers "1A", "1", "A" and "B" marked on the label -- all owned by current or former members of our group. All of them looked the same as far as decoration is concerned, and all had the inlaid scratchplate. One of my former colleagues, who had several pass through his hands in past decades, thought that model numbers were assigned after completion of built depending on the outcome of a final quality inspection, i.e. that "Model B" is the equivalent of a discounted "seconds" model these days. Another possibility is that these numbers may have changed over the year, e.g. that the previous model "A" was at some stage changed to "1A" when they introduced a model "2".

    Whatever the explanation for these relatively plain models is, clearly "Model 2" was different: as seen from the examples Mick posted today on the other thread, this was a much more elaborately inlaid luxury model. I have a vague recollection of seeing a "Model 3" as well, but can't remember details.

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