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  1. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Views on the Gibson action against Dean;


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQhoDpjvKh4
  2. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Thank you! That is the first time I have heard anyone detail exactly how Flatiron started and why there was a disconnect between the the age of the company (started in the '70s) and when they...
  3. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    What a treasure trove of information Hermann! That article on Ren Fergueson is amazing -- i always wanted to know the story of the those "Museum" J-200 series.

    It sounds like Gibson did make a...
  4. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Thanks for that information. So Flatirons must have come onto the market around 1983 - 84 time frame then. I had always assumed that they came onto the market before the F-5L. Not sure why I...
  5. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Thanks for the information!

    Was it inlaid as a "Nugget" or as a "Gibson"? Does anyone have an image of one of these very early Nugget F-5s?

    I bought an F-2 in 1973 and recall being...
  6. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    You've put together an list of impressive comments/commenters on this matter. :)

    Still I wonder if that means that a significant segment of the buying public are as involved or vocal as...
  7. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    I think to posit that "public opinion" (as in the instrument buying world "out there") would correspond to the opinions of a dozen or so members of the Mandolin Cafe forum is a bit of a stretch? :)...
  8. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    It might seem ridiculous to you but you don't own Gibson. Most companies do things like that. All of the automakers have each patented thousands of names -- names they really never intend to use...
  9. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Thanks for that list of independent builder back in the day. Most of the names I have heard of but I really did not know who was building when.

    Are you sure about Flatiron dates? I assumed 1987...
  10. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Yes Adrain no doubt it was Bill Monroe the put the Gibson F-5 back in the spotlight in 1945 after it had languished for over two decades. The crash of the "mandolin craze" and the birth of the F-5...
  11. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Yeah Stanley -- I was thinking of Ed Rendell former governor of PA! LOL!
  12. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Fair enough!
  13. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Thanks! So Gilchrist was about 1 or 2 years ahead of the F-5L?

    Of course Randy Wood in Georgia was making Gibson copies in the early 1970s.

    Another "competitive" F-5 mandolin was the...
  14. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Bertram noted

    But would you say that same philosophy applies to tunes and songs now -- just a sea shell found on the beach?
  15. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Just for the record can anyone supply the dates when Hutto, Wood, Duff, Gilchrist, Carlson, and others who made higher end F-5s got started with a commercial product available to the mandolin...
  16. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Yeah Roger said at one point that Ed Rendall (spelling?) about threw him out of Kalamazoo when Roger made a less then encouraging remark about what were probably the worst mandolins Gibson ever made,...
  17. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Of course you have your opinions and others have theirs. But no one here has to "justify" the actions of Gibson vis a vis their right to any claim of proprietary ownership of any design or design...
  18. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Exactly. And so why is everyone so upset - - this is business as usual?
  19. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    I would beg to differ.
  20. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    I think what you say is mostly true although thanks to Roger Siminoff I would suggest that Gibson more or less got back into the game in 1978 with the release of the F-5L? So they were not really so...
  21. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    If you are correct no one has anything to worry about then?
  22. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Thank you for that! All the individuals saying they will never buy a Gibson? That's fine don't buy one! Vote with your wallet if it makes you happy -- it's certainly your right. But really who...
  23. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    On the other side of the coin I own 7 Gibson instruments right now and since the early 70's I've owned at least another 30 or more other Gibsons, both old and new, mandolins, mandolas, mandocellos,...
  24. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Sold his soul? Is it really that dire? Is the man marked for life now? :)

    I'll bet Mark comes home from Gibson every day and is nice to his wife and kids and still smiles when he meets his...
  25. Re: Gibson threatening the mandolin and guitar luthier community

    Ha ha - that is pretty funny. But he (Mark) has always seemed to me to be a pretty nice guy - I looked forward to his ventures into "the vault" of the Norm's Great Guitars to pick out a great old...
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