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I searched the forum, but can't find a thread on headphones for practicing on the electrics. Suggestions?
I'm reading reviews and trying to understand how important high impedance is, whether it's worth paying more for.
Any wireless options worth exploring?
Good brands (full size, not IEMs) are Akg, Grado, Audio Technica, Sennheiser, Beyerdynamics, Shure, Sony and if you want to read reviews, there's http://www.head-fi.org/f/3/equipment-forums. The thing is that headphones that sound great to most people might be uncomfortable to you for whatever reason, like I hate coiled cables but other people don't seem to mind. And the imaging or headstage is also personal preference. So it's best to take your source (mobile phone, laptop w/DAC, etc) to a dealer where you can try lots of them or at least mail order from some place where you can get a no hassle refund.
I believe audiophiles use high impedance eg. 600 ohms with their high end amps, but if you're using, say a generic mixer, amp head or interface focusrite 2i2, steinberg ur22, presonus etc, any low impedance can should work decently well.
I did a really in-depth study on cans when shopping years ago and settled on Beyerdynamics DT-250's. These are the can's used extensively in the European TV and radio broadcast system. Reasons:
- as close as you're going to get in an uncolored, near-field monitor sound
- closed cups for better isolation for both the wearer and non-wearers - the latter is very important if you're recording with mics and listening to click/backing tracks in cans as most will bleed sound that's picked up by the mic[s]
- neodymium magnets are light, powerful and articulate
- built for industrial use - I've had these for almost 20 years now and aside the plastic covering over the headband tearing [it's rubber but is easily "fixed" with a roll of black electric tape] they've only gotten better with time.
- since they're built for industry, replacement parts are available, unlike consumer and prosumer cans
I've gone through many consumer and prosumer cans over the years that screw with the sound by adding bass frequencies and are shoddily built so they fall apart after a few months/years of use with no hope of fixing or sourcing parts - once they break they end up in landfills. DT-250's, OTOH, have been going for years and even though I bought a backup set just in case, I expect will keep going for years.
Cons:
- I find the curly cord a PITA and wish I could get a straight cord, but I understand why they use the curly cord as those work better for broadcast TV purposes, which is the bulk of their market.
- Until they're broken in, the cups can be a bit tight on the ears when worn over long periods.
Hope this helps
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Regarding impedance:
IMHO the only reason for 600 Ohms is to match the phones to high level sources. E.g. to the speaker output of your HiFi. Also the standardised impdance for line level signals is 600 Ohms. You can directly use 600 Ohms headphones with any line level output e.g. of a preamp. (Attention! This can be very loud! A special adapter is needed. Don't try that with low impedance phones, you will fry them and your ears...)
For all other use cases, lower impedance is beneficial. Typicall headphones for mp3 players or modern HiFi equipment (which does not re-use the power amplifier) are in the 35-ish range.
I'm really happy with my AudioTechnicas. Don't remember the model but they were in the $150-200 range. A huge selling point is the easily replaceable cords. Just a plug and twist. I've got some Sonys that sound great, but need rewriting. The ATs Rock. Now out of the studio in a less harsh environment for serious vinyl listening sessions, Grado.
I'm a big fan of the Sennheiser HD 280 which runs for around $100. I went through a phase where I was mostly making music on synths and computers and I was extremely happy with these. I've also used them with my Yamaha S200 electric violin and was happy with the sound. I've owned them now for maybe thirteen years, and they've held up reasonably well with only minor cosmetic wear.
For listening to music, I most love my Grado 225s with their open design. But when practicing, I prefer the closed design of my Sennheiser HD-somethings or even better, my son's AT-50s. The ATs are great all-around, comfortable cans.
since my first push of the red button, I have used Sony 7506 cans and still do, been more than 20 years and I'm on my second set.
Dan
I think the first decision is whether you want open or closed headphones. This is pretty much a matter of personal preference. Do you need to cancel out background noise? Then you probably need closed headphones. If you want to hear the door bell or whether your baby just woke up and is crying, then open headphones are better. Open headphones are also more polite to other family members as they are still able to communicate with you without yelling 5 times. I prefer open designs. When wearing a set of closed headphones I swet and get hot ears pretty fast. I also prefer the acoustics of open headphones (within the same price range, of course). I prefer neutral and analytic sounding headphones as opposed to e.g. bass heavy or "warm" sounding ones.
As others above, I would also recommend Grado headphones. I've been using my Grado SR-200's for over 25 years now and I wouldn't hesitate to buy them again (or their successor SR-225). I frequently get compliments on their sound from friends that do a lot of hobby audio engeneering...
But the headphones that I use most of the time (on the computer, or practising electric instruments) is the Koss Porta Pro. This is a real classic, introduced in 1984. In 1994, when I bought mine they cost $120, now you can get them for $40. I'm not sure, however, whether they have the same quality today.
Peter
I've got some Shure SRH440 phones that I like a lot. Pretty accurate and comfortable.
I use Sennheiser HD 203's, which are economical and comfy (though I echo DroneAlone's comments ^^), and have a nice, long, uncoiled cord. However, the bottom end is a bit too hyped for me. I'm going to look at some of the suggestions above for more neutral cans. But if you're on the cheap plan, the 203's get the job done.
my duet partner just bought the AKG 702. They sound great!
f-d
My buddy who rides the bus regularly (GF in the City ) got noise cancelling headphones
to suppress all the other noises conversations, etc.
then what he chooses to listen to has less competition.
:whistling:
Sorry folks, but I recommend a good pair of room speakers, cranked above conversation level, before headphones, which for me the cans were for studio/tracking stuff..
Dan
You see in ear wireless monitors on most location news presenters
and the Big Music show Pros get custom molded ear canal fittings for their in ear monitors..
Headset Mics are showing up on sports commentators as well..
I'm not sure what you mean by Practicing on the Electrics. Wireless headphones are kind of a pain. I think the idea is good but the result is prone to dropping out and overly 'compressed' (think digitized) sound.Quote:
Originally Posted by anntorrence
Sennheiser uses a lot of plastic and they break after a few years, even though they have a real nice sound. Audio Technica is a respected name as well as Beyerdynamics. Good stuff. I love my Grado SR325's with a headphone preamp going to my laptop for listening and recording. But any of these in this price range are pretty good. Cheap cans of any brand suck. No exceptions. I've been thru a lot of 50 - 100 dollar headphones. (Add it up and I could be in listening heaven by now.)
I use Grado 325i's fed through an Audient ID14. That combination has minimal latency, with a DI in and 1/4 HP out. Short cables help.
I would recommend NOT getting expensive headphones JUST for guitar, but if you're planning on listening to music with them as well, check out HeadRoom: Stereo Headphones, Amps & DACs, Wireless, Noise Canceling, Ear Canal, Earbud, Audio Cables & Accessories. Just about any HP will sound good with guitar. I personally don't use HP's when I am searching for the right tone.
If you want more suggestions, you may check Head-Fi or HeadphonesUnboxed websites.
I assumed the OP meant using headphones instead of the amplifier speakers, while practicing playing an electric mandolin or other electric instrument.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougC
For such practicing, IMO (FWIW) it isn't required to get too fancy, just about anything will work as long as it doesn't have that extra-exaggerated bass response that some headphones do.
Everyone's priorities are going to be a little bit different...
As to "recommendations"... that's a tough one... what *I* use isn't necessarily what someone else would be willing to put up with...
In my case, I wouldn't recognize nor value/appreciate "hi-fi" if it came up and bit me on the behind, ;) nowadays here are the only things I care about in a set of headphones:
- Lightweight. I typically use headphones many hours per day (we use headphones for literally everything here, even all of our TV and radio), and after an hour or two the heavier ones become tiresome. I opted to not repair my excellent old Sony Studio Monitor headphones when they broke, because I was tired of their weight. Went and bought some ultra-cheapies instead, been using this model for several years now.
- Adjustable or bendable, so as to not pinch my ears. These cheap ones I have now, required several sessions of heat-treatment (I used a hair dryer) to make the plastic top-band part flexible enough so I could bend it out to where it would *stay* bent, because they were way too tight at first. Bending them like this is a gamble though, have to be exceptionally careful and delicate about it, otherwise they could break instead of bending.
- Absolutely *NO* "enhanced bass" that exaggerates the bass sounds. I don't typically listen to genres where extra-loud bass is required. Enhanced-bass headphones make regular music sound weird.
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So, what model exactly, am I using? (CAUTION: Long-winded ramble follows, skip if preferred.) Well this is a little embarassing, in a world where money equals importance, but this is what I use nowadays, even though it's cheap and tawdry and the mic doesn't work (don't want the mic anyway, just fold up the mic so it isn't in your way) : yeah these low-end Logitech H111 headphones are actually what I use :disbelief: :disbelief: :disbelief: for casual practicing at home.
They are certainly *not* marketed as being hi-fi or anything like that.
(Lol now I have yet another 'reason' for why my multi-track YouTube videos sound the way they do, ;) ha! :)) as these are the headphones I use for adjusting volume levels when mixing my tracks, these particular Logitech headphones are *so* not designed for that, ~:> eek).
Anyway that model also gets bad reviews online, and yeah the reliability is mediocre, so if you take a chance on one of these, buy locally and keep your receipt & packaging in case you need to return it because they have had problems with "bad batches" in the past. The main thing is, don't yank them around or the wires come loose. Sometimes the wires come loose anyway, but if they're mistreated it accelerates the process. Oh and this is the model that I had to heat-treat to make them fit, even though I have a little pin head ;) these were way too tight until modified.
So I can't really say as I'd "recommend" that model as a first experience in headphones, but I use them and if they break I will buy identical replacements because, for me, I can easily work around their deficiencies. Might not be other people's cup of tea though.
I really like my audio-technica ATH-m35
4 months later, OP* realizes he cannot just plug the headphones into his electric Mandolin right?
even though the headphone has a 1/4" plug..
You need a Preamp with a headphone Out , jack.. in the signal chain.
A 2 channel mixer is cheap, and can do that..
* [and others reading this]
:popcorn:
It might be a good idea to avoid these ones.
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It might be a good idea to avoid these ones.
I just saw that too! :)
Yea, wireless probably has a Lithium rechargeable battery in it.. that had issues..
I remember when the airline headsets were just air powered, .. hoses to them,
the speaker was in the armrest, pushing the air out thru the 2 hoses.
I use Sony MDRZX110 folding over-ear phones. Cost me $40 Cdn but currently on clearance for $10 at Walmart. Surprisingly durable in that cheap portable phones usually break or malfunction within a year or much less. I always stick these in my jacket pocket or backpack and despite the fragile looking plastic balljoint that folds the earpieces inline with the headband, they are still unbroken and functional after two or three years of this maltreatment. Sound is perfectly adequate for practice or casual listening. Recommend.
Link in# 22 was weird, so a separate search found: They were Active, Noise Canceling Headphones,
and their battery caught fire , [ Flying and Lithium batteries not a good pairing.. apparently]
the woman wearing them immediately , threw them in the Isle of a China to Australia flight
Stomped on them to try to put the fire out, and the flight attendants put them in a bucket of water ..
Wired headphones of course won't be a problem..
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I use a pair of AKG K240's, which are actually built for studio use. I prefer the open soundstage, and don't mind the minor sound 'leaking'.
Nothing to do with sound, but if, like me, you have very little hair on top of your head, be sure the inside of the band going over your head is smooth.
I have a pair of phones that I like very much, but I always have to wear a cap when I use them, to avoid a dent in my scalp for a few hours.:(
+1 for the Sony 7506s. I’ve had my pair for a long, long time (well over a decade) and they are still going strong. They are modestly priced and sound great. I’d also suggest checking out Beats wireless ‘phones. I was very pleasantly surprised by these when I got a pair for free at the Apple store when purchasing a Mac laptop a couple years ago. I didn’t need another pair of headphones and thought I’d never use them, but I checked them out and was an instant convert. Really great sound quality (no strong bass boost which was what I expected), super comfortable, and they have a mini stereo input that disables the wireless and turns them into a set of wired headphones. The sound isolation is better than the Sony 7506s, so when I track rhythm guitar using a click track I don’t get any bleed of the click from my ‘phones into the microphone.
Consumer wireless communicate via Bluetooth which is a hyper compressed format. All wireless formats use some form of compression which neuters the sound. If you like the sound of MP3's - which are horrible IMHO - then you should be fine with Bluetooth. But if you actually want to hear the dynamics of what you're listening to it's best to look for alternatives.
I had the Sony mdrV7?? for 25+ years but as my son grew they somehow became his. I now have DT880 pro, I really like the semi-open design but if you are looking for total isolation these aren't for you. I like the stereo separation with these and they don't fatigue my ears as much as closed back cans do.
Sony MDR-7506 Professional. Industry standard in studios for a couple of decades in the past. Unfortunately, the stock ear pads are not comfortable but amazon has options for replacement pads that are. Maybe a little more expensive than some of the other recommendations here but very flat response and reliable.
Thanks for the tip!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Cameron
I just ordered a pair of MDRZX-NR 110, the diff is NoiseReduction feature, uses a AAA Battery, good for 80 hr play time. $15.00
Better hurry folks only 5 (open box) left. NFI.
If you care about your ears, ultrasones (a lesser-known but reputable high-end German brand) are specifically engineered to sound 40% louder for the same SPL, and deliver stellar sound quality
I have both the 580i and the 780i, fantastic for use onstage (in lieu of IEMs), crystal clear and loud as needed, with lower risk of ear damage.
I recovered from 10 years of H.A.S. A coiled cable is a minus for me. I have a collection of pricey headphones but I grab my $100 AT every time because it has straight cable. My 600 ohm set sounds nice but doesn't work as well on some equipment. Also prefer a fabric ear cover to most pleather-like material. The pleather will flake and seems to be hot if you use for long time. Usually replaceable but will flake off again.Quote:
Originally Posted by gtani7
Go for comfort on a good brand name mentioned above
Typically you would want some open back headphones so you're not hearing an overwhelming amount of low end frequencies building up, so maybe some Shure SRH1840 or Audio-Technica ATH-AD700.
Tried looking around for open back wireless headphones, but there doesn't seem to be many...interesting.
Last year I purchased the Bose QC35 II noise-canceling headphones. At first I was extremely disappointed with the sound (I still am). They sound better plugged vs Bluetooth (to be expected), and they sound much better with noise cancelling off. Even wired with NC off, they come nowhere close to any good $100-$150 pair of open back cans I have tried. Despite being highly disappointed with the sound, a funny thing happened. I started using these all the time! With bluetooth and noise cancelling on, the AC and heater fan doesn't bother me. It is so much more enjoyable to listen to music while driving. I can walk around while listening and they are extremely comfortable to wear for hours. I find the noise isolation helps with work and times I use headphones for practice (in this case wired).
I am hesitant to call a set of headphones "life-changing" but they have been! Same situation with Apple Airpods. I baulked for a long time, but once I got over it and tried them, I wouldn't go back to wired no matter how much better they sound. Of course this doesn't apply to anything where latency is an issue. :)