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mikeh
Dec-07-2004, 4:22pm
Don't tell my friends toward the top of this discussion board that I'm down here, but my first blues mandolin music just arrived today. Everyone refers to how Bill had the blues and the blue notes he used, and my second favorite player is Compton...so I thought it would be wise to add some blues to my homework. Yank Rachell's Blue Goose recording just came into my life. I think Divin' Duck Blues as well as Shotgun Blues may well be the greatest thing since mass produced strings. #If any of you all do not own this record, from a die hard grasser, do yourself a favor. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

duuuude
Dec-07-2004, 4:39pm
Welcome to the dark side. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

bmac
Dec-07-2004, 6:46pm
I don't own the Yank Rachell record of Diving Duck but Steve James does it (Yank Rachell's version) on his Blues Mandolin video. You might want to check it out as he analyses Rachell's version pretty thoroughly and guides the learner through it. Since James obviously admires Rachell a great deal I suspect that he is pretty fairhful to Rachell's version. The video is a bit advanced for the beginner but to someone with some background and facility it is a very good learning tool. For those with some experience I would highly recommend the James video.

James accompaniest on the guitar, John Sebastian (sp?), owns (one of?) Rachell's mandolin. It is an amplified Harmony and is seen in photos of Rachell, though this one is screaming fire engine red, most likely refinished,

tiltman
Dec-07-2004, 7:01pm
I just picked up a Yank Rachell cd the other day.(what timing!)
I got one called Yank Rachell's Tennesee Jug-Busters, Mandolin Blues. So far I like it. Unfortunately it does not have Divin' Duck Blues on it which I heard is one of his best songs. Anyone else heard this disc?
Kirk

ira
Dec-07-2004, 9:03pm
can't go wrong with any yank stuff. welcome down here with the rest of us bluesmandofolks. play some 7ths, bend, slide and dig deep inside. da blues are where its at my friend.
peace,
ira
btw- interested in some of you blues guys checking out the cut on the www.ezfolk.com site (my band is listed under not otherwise specified) called things change. an old jugband blues type tune i wrote- just about all 7ths. simple, but i like it. tell me what you think....:blues:

mikeh
Dec-07-2004, 9:12pm
BMAC, actually , I have that instructional and as you say very good and helpful. Interestingly, the version of DIVIN DUCK BLUES that Steve does , while musically and technically very "ON", the Blue Goose record version by Yank does not have any common lyrics except the "river was whiskey" and the "train" verse. I wonder where Steve got those lyrics? regardless, definitely a "must have" record, I regret it took me so long to come around. I must become one with the 7th.
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ira
Dec-07-2004, 9:25pm
i like that become one with the 7th...deeeeeep! maybe if we all do it at once we can convert more mandoplayers to the blues side of life.:D http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif

johnsmusic
Dec-08-2004, 8:25am
The 7th, yes, but don't forget the 9th especially on some of the Hendrix stuff. Try "Red House" with the mando, The intro sounds so cool. #Also fingerpicking out some slower acoustic blues like Mississippi John Hurt. J http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif

ira
Dec-08-2004, 9:46am
just getting into 9ths, but you are right, just a funky, low down sound....now, i've gotta learn redhouse- chords?http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif??

johnsmusic
Dec-08-2004, 10:07am
It's just an A blues shuffle the intro starts at the top.J

bmac
Dec-08-2004, 11:57am
Ira:

After much searching on the ezfolk site (looked everywhere but in the obvious spot) I found your music and greatly enjoyed hearing your arrangements. I assume some of the songs are original. Haven't been able to listen to them all yet but am quite impressed. Nice blues harp too.

tiltman
Dec-08-2004, 12:29pm
Probably a dumb question, but how do you pronounce Yank Rachell's last name?
Kirk

LKN2MYIS
Dec-08-2004, 2:45pm
I'm a little new to this - I'm a recovering guitar player.

There seems to be a lack (exclude the Steve James video) of
blues mandolin tab. I can't find any anywhere.

Does anyone have a good web site (aside from the cafe) where
this stuff is available?

I'm new to the mandolin, and expect delivery in the not-too-distant future, and want some nice blues stuff to play.

smilnJackB
Dec-08-2004, 2:46pm
Hi guys. I'm glad too for another blues mandolin man (or woman!). I really like Steve Jame's version of Diving Duck Blues. I will try playing it at a jam in little Kimbalton, Iowa on Dec. 18th and will perform it for a seniors dinner (old folks with food) in January.
My wife and I will do a mix of Gospel and blues for those folks. I can't pick like Yank or Steve, so I will copy Steve's mando intro and then do an instrumental on harp.
Best holiday wishes! Jack

ira
Dec-08-2004, 4:43pm
two things.
1. prounced "rayshell"
2. don't know who if any of you guys beside bmac (thanks for the nice comments) gave a listen, but things change is the number one listened to song on ezfolk.com today. woohoo!
thanks,
ira

ira
Dec-09-2004, 8:18am
a few guys pm'd me re: not finding our section. the artists section on www.ezfolk.com to be clicked is under the yellow banner on top-audio hosting, then to our band "not otherwise specified"
thanks
btw- lots of other great blues stuff- some on uke- interesting.

bmac
Dec-09-2004, 8:48am
"There seems to be a lack (exclude the Steve James video) of
blues mandolin tab. I can't find any anywhere."

You may be right... I haven't looked very hard... But with your background in guitar I should think you will pick up mandolin fairly easily. Two albums which I have found very useful for learning are Louie Bluie By Howard Armstrong. Another interesting one is The Chicago String Band with Johnny Young playing mandolin and singing. Both of these are good learning tools in my opinion. There are, of course, lots of other blues albums to learn from.

My learning experience has been a little different from yours as I have very little eyesignt to rely on so I, of necessity, focus on the sound of various blues players and try to learn from them. I became fairly proficient on guitar years ago so learning the mando has not been particularly difficult. I think you will find it fairly easy as well. Keep in mind that reading music is not a necessity in learning to play the blues. Many of the greats couldn't read any form of written music either.

fangsdaddy
Dec-09-2004, 9:39am
voodoo child on mando is very sweet in my opinion.

Perry
Dec-10-2004, 12:25am
this album is a must have if your into blues
mando......instead of looking for TAB try just listening to this stuff and cop some of the licks by ear...it's albout the feel....and that feel is hard to pull off of TAB reference.

BTW Carl Martin is a favorite of mine.

Various Artists
Mandolin Blues
[TCD6004] $13.49
$10.99
Mandolin Blues

Although little-heard on commercial recordings after the 1940s, the mandolin played a significant role in the history of blues, with its first use probably dating back as far as that of the more familiar guitar. Throughout the '20s and '30s, the distinctive sound of this little instrument could be heard throughout the South and showed up on several recordings. A number of musicians continued to play and perform blues on the mandolin into the '60s. Through the perseverance of the pate Pete Welding in tracking down and documenting older traditional blues styles, we can hear these unique performances. Among the sidemen on these 1960s recordings are Sleepy John Estes, Taj Mahal, Little Walter, and Jimmy Walker. HighTone Testament series.

Tracks:
Yank Rachell
Dig My Buddy, Joe
Smokey Joe
Rainy Day Blues
My Baby's Gonna Jump and Shout
Carl Martin
Everyday I Have the Blues
Gravedigger Blues
Willie Hatcher
Garbage Man Blues
Crawdad
Waiting Just for You
Ted Bogan
Mary, Run to the Window
Johnny Young
Highway 61
Jumpin On Eight
Stealin'
Mandolin Rock
I Tried to Get You Off My Mind
Bumble Bee
Crawling Kingsnake


http://www.hightone.com/product....34845ed (http://www.hightone.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=141&products_id=232&osCsid=720c96906ac178b7fe9e9e35434845ed)

LKN2MYIS
Dec-10-2004, 5:20am
Yes, it is about feel However, tab is a valuable time saver for me.

kbarry
Dec-10-2004, 7:01am
Another source of Mandolins Blues is Rich DelGrosso. #Some examples of his work can be found here:

http://www.mandolinmagazine.com/workshops/delgrosso/

He has a monthly column on Blues in the Mandolin Magazine that is worth the subscription price (I am still working on his piece on slide Mandolin from a few years ago!)

Ken

LKN2MYIS
Dec-10-2004, 7:11am
Ken -

Thank you. That's real valuable.

bluesmandolinman
Dec-10-2004, 8:22am
Perry

I love this CD too. Carl Martin is really great , no doubt !

But my favorite song from this CD is "Garbage Man Blues" from Willie Hatcher.... :cool:

ira
Dec-10-2004, 9:23am
guess i have another cd to buy. lucky its the holiday season!
thanks for the tip.

ira
Dec-10-2004, 9:35am
just ordered at the hightone link above.
2-5 days woohoo!

Perry
Dec-10-2004, 9:44am
Oh yeah...I just love that Garbage Man Blues!

ira
Dec-13-2004, 7:36pm
got the mandolin blues cd today from hightone, and have listened a whole bunch already.though all are good, and yank always sounds right to me (rainy day blues are killer), most ipressed with carl martin (both songs, but especially everyday i have the blues)-his style was so clean and such flow, and the johnny young stuff. man, johnny plays that mando with a hard attack style-raucus, and definitely more modern sounding. highway 61, stealin, and mandolin rock blew me away, but i thought all of his cuts were killer. the willie hatcher stuff was good, but i didn't love the feel as much as the other 3 guys i just listed, (sorry garbageman blues lovers- i thought crawdad was a better tune- aaaaaah, a song for everyone on this cd). the one low point for me was ted bogan, not so much his mando as his voice kinda downed it for me (on one hand, glad there was only one tune, on the other, not sure if one tune let me give him enough of a chance).

it was fascinating the different styles, colors of tune, feels, etc.. that each of these guys threw onto these beautiful old blues tunes. all so different...

anyway, thanks for the heads up on this- a great purchase which i too shall now recommend to all.

peace blueslovers,
ira:blues: http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/blues.gif

bluesmandolinman
Dec-14-2004, 3:37am
Hey ira i knew you would like it http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I canīt deside myself which of the players I like the best , because my preferences are changing from time to time... but my love for Mandolin in Blues didnīt change since many years #http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif

ira
Dec-14-2004, 8:09am
when thinking about why one player attracted me more than others, it was there vocal cadence and the mando tone and phrasing that seems to do it for me. when i play those straight out blues, i seem to play and phrase similarly to martin, thats whats in my head, voice and fingers. though i love yank, still haven't gotten the feel (though working on it) of those wonderful trills and licks while singing.
as i said, definitely something for everyone on this disc...

Perry
Dec-14-2004, 3:53pm
The thing about Yank is that he tunes down to open E; so you can't really cop his licks without retuning.

Great CD though!

ira
Dec-16-2004, 7:17am
ok, multiple (aright- nonstop) listening to this cd- new favorite track, though one of the shortest tunes on the disc- waitin here for you. singing, mando, all are wonderful. also pretty impressed that hatcher tremolo'd the solo starting on the low courses of the instrument- not so common as i listen to all of these guys. what a great tune!!!!