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Neil in New Cross
Sep-14-2004, 2:50pm
Anyone living in London (UK) might be interested to know that Planxty are playing some rare reunion gigs in Januay 2005, featuring mandolinist Andy Irvine (see: http://andyirvine.com/)

Andy's website describes his own unique mandolin: "My instruments have been made for some years, by Stefan Sobell in Northumberland in the North of England. I wanted a rounder, warmer sound and we came to the conclusion that a bigger body was the answer. Rather than have a very large tear drop shaped body, I opted for the guitar shape which is easier to hold. A pity in a way because people who do not know me think I'm playing a guitar. Stefan also made me a mandolin/mandola. Never quite know what to call it. Its two frets longer than a mandolin. I used to play a Gibson mandola which had the same string length as Stefans. Classicly, a mandola should be tuned way down to CGDA but I always thought this stupid with a Gibson because it didn't have a big enough body, nor a long enough string length to cope with the hawser-like strings required. So I thought it logical--as it was two frets longer than a mandolin-- to tune it a tone lower, using mandolin strings. So I tune it FCGC (I nearly always have the top string tuned down a tone)"

Does anyone know if anybody else was using the mandolin in Irish music prior to Andy Irvine in Planxty?
Andy Irvine (http://andyirvine.com/)

Paul Kotapish
Sep-14-2004, 5:17pm
Does anyone know if anybody else was using the mandolin in Irish music prior to Andy Irvine in Planxty?
There are a few recordings of traditional Irish music featuring mandolin dating back to the late 1920s and 1930s. The Flannagan brothers (Joe, Louis, and Mike) occasionally included mandolin in their ensemble, although tenor banjo was a little more common.

The mandolin also made some guest appearances in various Ceilidh band recordings over the years, and if you really dig through the old sides you can find a few tracks where it is audible, but it wasn't until the mid 1960s and later that it became a fairly common instrument in traditional circles, and Andy Irvine was not alone.

Mick Moloney, Paul Brady, Johnny Moynihan (who Irvine credits as the first to introduce the bouzouki to the scene, too), Barney McKenna, and John Sheahan were among the first big wave of pluckers who included mandolins in traditonal Irish music in the '60s--a few years before the earliest incarnations of Planxty.

mandocrucian
Sep-14-2004, 5:27pm
Sweeney's Men (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:0uq5g4hbtvjz~T1)

BTW - Mick's last name is spelled Moloney (http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:w1uf6jah71u0~T1)

NH

Aidan Crossey
Sep-15-2004, 4:42am
And if you check out "Paddy In The Smoke", there's a mandolin track on that, played by a priest whose name I can't remember ... I'll have a dig around when I get home and find details for you.

Paul Kotapish
Sep-15-2004, 11:02am
And if you check out "Paddy In The Smoke", there's a mandolin track on that, played by a priest whose name I can't remember
It was Father O'Keeffe.

Lee
Sep-15-2004, 12:12pm
Try this instead
www.andyirvine.com

Bren
Sep-15-2004, 3:06pm
Well the irish folk on the Titanic had a mandolin player and that was 1912. I know, I saw the movie.

chinatogalway
Sep-15-2004, 6:19pm
Planxty have also added a few EXTRA dates now to Ireland,

Point Theatre, Dublin – 28, 29 December 2004
Waterfront Hall, Belfast – 19, 20 January 2005

There might have been a few playing before him, but for sure there is no other mandolin player of the same quality anywhere ! The planxty recordings and his solo work are simply incredible. He has recorded alot more than you think check out this very long Andy Irvine Discography ! (http://www.chinatogalway.com/Discography%20Andy%20Irvine.htm)

I also have a Andy Irvine News (http://www.chinatogalway.com/News.htm) here if you what to see what he is up to and feel free to send me news too !

Here is still the best out there after 40 years on the road !

Kieron

POB
Sep-16-2004, 2:37am
Just booked my tickets for the Tuesday night Dublin gig. Yay!

Aidan Crossey
Sep-16-2004, 6:06am
It was Father O'Keeffe.

Thanks, Paul! A mighty player he was too!

SiFi
Sep-18-2004, 5:55am
And if you're in Australia, Andy's doing some solo dates in October! Yay!!

October is going to be a big month Down Under; Sharon Shannon is touring as well!

Cheers,

Simon

Jacob
Sep-18-2004, 7:13am
Multi-instrumentalist Michael Gaffney played mandolin and banjo mandolin in the 1920's & 30's.
His playing may be found on The Wheels of the World, Vol. 1 (http://www.yazoorecords.com/7008.htm),
The Wheels of the World, Vol. 2 (http://yazoorecords.com/7009.htm), Early Irish-American Music - Classic Recordings from the 1920s & 30s, and
Round the House & Mind the Dresser: Irish Country House Dance Music (http://www.artistdirect.com/store/artist/album/0,,1702563,00.html).