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mike fin
Nov-22-2009, 11:54am
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I have had this in the closet for a while.

mike fin
Nov-22-2009, 11:55am
Does anyone know where i can get new tuners for something like this?

mandroid
Nov-22-2009, 5:25pm
Headstock is just a normal F type , so shop for an F tuner set, one that you turn CCW at the knob to tighten the string.. [there are CW cut gears too]

several brands all competing for your dollar ,

and the merits of each have been discussed a lot..

Stew Mac offers a choice of plastic button colors , Ivoroid or Black would be good on that , I'd think.

you could just get some of their replacement buttons and fix the ones you have too..

mike fin
Nov-22-2009, 6:44pm
I purchased a pair from stew mac, and they slide into place really nice but the three little screw holes don't mach up.
I was wondering if making three new holes would be a bad idea.

bertdolin
Nov-22-2009, 8:13pm
You could find them on ebay...I've seen them better than these but they go for more usually. http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Kluson-Deluxe-Mandolin-Tuners-for-Gibson-Parts_W0QQitemZ120488637216QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_D efaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0daeb320

mike fin
Nov-22-2009, 8:26pm
Thanks those look just like mine except mine are f style I believe.

bertdolin
Nov-22-2009, 8:52pm
My oversight. Come to think of it they are usually not F style. Maybe finding a suitable replacement knob is the best solution to get it playable.

MikeEdgerton
Nov-22-2009, 9:07pm
No, they are simply an F-style. The Stewmac's with the three hole configuration are made to look more like the old Loar style tuners. Grovers or Schallers should have all the holes.

Take a look at this (http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Tuners/NewButton/newbutton.html) page on Frank Ford's www.frets.com to see how you could replace the buttons. It won't be exact but it will give you an idea of the process.

mandroid
Nov-22-2009, 10:39pm
a piece of tape on the appropriate size pilot drill bit is a common way to depth gage drilling new holes for the screws.
so you don't have the hole coming thru the front of the peg-head.

But, yea, just removing the klusons , and then fitting new buttons is the most direct way of repairing them .
the problem was the chemistry of the plastic buttons , not the metal parts.
you may need to modify the buttons or [more likely] the shafts to get them to mesh together ..
before you super glue them in place.

mike fin
Nov-23-2009, 6:37am
No, they are simply an F-style. The Stewmac's with the three hole configuration are made to look more like the old Loar style tuners. Grovers or Schallers should have all the holes.

Take a look at this (http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Luthier/Technique/Tuners/NewButton/newbutton.html) page on Frank Ford's www.frets.com to see how you could replace the buttons. It won't be exact but it will give you an idea of the process.

Thanks allot for that info. That seems like the way to do it.
But what if the tuners themselves are hard to turn, would it effect the value if I completely replaced the tuners?

mike fin
Nov-23-2009, 6:39am
a piece of tape on the appropriate size pilot drill bit is a common way to depth gage drilling new holes for the screws.
so you don't have the hole coming thru the front of the peg-head.

But, yea, just removing the klusons , and then fitting new buttons is the most direct way of repairing them .
the problem was the chemistry of the plastic buttons , not the metal parts.
you may need to modify the buttons or [more likely] the shafts to get them to mesh together ..
before you super glue them in place.

Thank you too. If I do replace them I will for sure use that trick.:)

mike fin
Nov-23-2009, 6:40am
My oversight. Come to think of it they are usually not F style. Maybe finding a suitable replacement knob is the best solution to get it playable.

Thanks to all for all the helpful comments.:)

f5loar
Nov-23-2009, 3:45pm
There is an oil hole in the back of each tuner. Use household oil and loosen them up.

mike fin
Nov-23-2009, 7:18pm
Wow is that what that is. Thanks for the info, I'll try it.

MikeEdgerton
Nov-23-2009, 7:42pm
You might want to remove them while you're doing that just to be on the safe side.

Jim Garber
Nov-23-2009, 8:53pm
If you just want to replace the buttons with ones that work, that should not be too much of a problem. if you want to find buttons that resemble the originals, good luck. I have a early 1960s EM200 with similar tuners and I don't think anyone makes buttons that looks like those, sort of translucent pearloid.

mike fin
Nov-24-2009, 12:37pm
Thanks for the helpful remarks.:)

Ridge54
Dec-11-2009, 11:43pm
Wow it does look a lot like my Penco Mandolin that I've had for about 30 years.

mike fin
Dec-12-2009, 8:37pm
Wow that's pretty cool. Allot of similarities.:)