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jim simpson
Jun-24-2006, 4:52pm
I guess the scroll work isn't going to the best on low priced mandolins but can't they do better than this? (as seen on Ebay)
pettyman
Jun-24-2006, 5:08pm
Ouch - that would stop the onset of MAS - maybe that is the cure
bradeinhorn
Jun-24-2006, 6:22pm
but if you rub it....
Ken Sager
Jun-24-2006, 6:52pm
but if you rub it....
It turns into a suitcase!
Philip Halcomb
Jun-24-2006, 7:40pm
Ouch - that would stop the onset of MAS - maybe that is the cure
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Antlurz
Jun-24-2006, 9:06pm
It was designed that way so you could use a 5/8" hemp rope or a motorcycle chain for a shoulder strap. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Ron
Gibson A5
Jun-25-2006, 7:19am
That's so they could do a "Perfect" finish on the inside of the scroll.
Bill P.
B. T. Walker
Jun-25-2006, 11:15am
Thought it was the scroll on this mandolin, but it's not.
Jim Garber
Jun-25-2006, 11:43am
Still frightening after all these years...
Jim
jim simpson
Jun-25-2006, 1:11pm
Oh my gosh! That's hidious!! It looks like the scroll is ready to collapse from it's own weight.
You can never have too much scroll.
B. T. Walker
Jun-25-2006, 5:48pm
jgarber,
It's like watching the scene you forgot about in a horror movie. #http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
JEStanek
Jun-25-2006, 10:11pm
Tsunami brand mandos?
mandolooter
Jun-26-2006, 8:19am
ok Diego Moon...you owe for the coffee I just spewed all over my keyboard and desk!great answer!!!http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Keith Erickson
Jun-26-2006, 11:15am
Still frightening after all these years...
Jim
Hey Jim,
Not for me....
....it reminds me what a mandolin would lóók like if you were a luthier in the lego world http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
I find it's inner beauty absolutely gorgious!!!
B. T. Walker
Jun-26-2006, 3:11pm
Keith,
Would you own a mando with a scroll that looked like a Lego dog's tounge? Really? http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Keith Erickson
Jun-26-2006, 3:14pm
Keith,
Would you own a mando with a scroll that looked like a Lego dog's tounge? #Really? #http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Hey Brian,
Yes I am twisted enough to own something like that and play it in public. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
I grew up with legos so I have a soft spot in my heart for them http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
rhetoric
Jun-26-2006, 5:13pm
But suppose it was the sweetest sounding mandolin on the planet? Hmmmmmmm? Would you play it on stage?
Antlurz
Jun-26-2006, 5:54pm
Would you play it on stage?
It would fit right into a Beach Boy's concert...
Definitely designed for surfer music. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Ron
JEStanek
Jun-26-2006, 8:57pm
My soft spot for legos seems to be the sole of my foot, as I step on them in the dark. Ouch. I would play a lego themed e-mando in a heartbeat. If I had to keep it accoustic I would have to go with lincoln logs.
Jamie
jim simpson
Jun-26-2006, 9:41pm
Here's another ugly one, it's a Sovereign from Ebay:
jim simpson
Jun-26-2006, 9:43pm
Here's one from a builder in Florida. He says that he does not care to ever make another mandolin. He says that he's made about 20 so far. It looks like he used the fingerboard and pickguard from the Taiwan Ebayer.
Ok, that's one ugly scroll....
Greenmando
Jun-26-2006, 10:30pm
And yet people still have scroll envy! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
markishandsome
Jun-27-2006, 9:50am
Threads like this make me unseasy, especially as I'm working on building my own mandolin with a non-trad body shape. Even if some of these instruments are ugly, some poor guy put a whole mountain of work into them and then has to see his work torn apart on the internet because he tried to do something different. Just seems a little mean spirited, IMO.
bradeinhorn
Jun-27-2006, 4:58pm
how about this lesser sullivan:
Baron Collins-Hill
Jun-27-2006, 5:08pm
i think this one tops em all...
please dont shoot me
im with markishandsome on this one
jim simpson
Jun-27-2006, 11:13pm
Another example from Taiwan. It has been suggested that these are probably not made by any one luthier. They seem to do a better job at inlay (if not a little over the top) but don't quite get the symmetry right. The scroll has to be the toughest area to get "right".
rhetoric
Jun-28-2006, 6:18am
I suppose we could hurt someone's feelings, but I'm trying to figure out if the moniker "markishandsome" entitles you or disqualifies you from comment on this thread. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I don't think this is mean spirited. It's simply a group of people that have a high regard for the scroll. You're free to dispute anyone's charge of a scroll being ugly without fear of ridicule. The defense that somebody put their sweat into an item so therefore it shouldn't be viewed as ugly holds little merit. Somebody built all of those $4.99 mandolins on eBay but I'm surely not going to defend them as good instruments or even nice looking instruments because somebody worked to put them together. With that said there is a thread elsewhere regarding the Gibson Lump Scroll and nobody feels compelled to defend that (to honest, there is no defense). See this as it is as a light hearted sharing of ideas.
JEStanek
Jun-28-2006, 8:36am
This thread could be considered free market research for luthiers and mando manufacturing companies. #Here is the highest desnity of mano afficionandos giving honest feedback on the shape of a mandolin design element. #I wouldn't flame anyone who felt the design was their cup of tea. #Different strokes. #None of the posts so far have impuned the person making the mando, rather the design elements. #I think the Sullivan is pretty cool and non-trad, myself. #Finally, those less expensive mandos where the scroll isn't even carved were more likely made by machine than man... note the lack of scroll peak.
Look at the threads on the Eastman headstock logo. #People get very tied to the shape of their instruments and to what is/isn't on the headstock. #There are plenty of people who wrote that they would only consider the Eastman with a different headstock logo. #Look at the long thread on David Grisman's electrical tape on his headstock...
I hope Markishandsome builds the mando that looks how Markishandsome wants and doesn't need the Cafe' to validate the design. #I've yet to see a builder post one and get ripped up... #Perhaps the original scroll was an anonymous target... #Look at the support given to the hobbyists building IV kit mandos!
Jamie
To continue, the famous Regal Reverse Scroll (from a picture on frets.com (http://www.frets.com)). To my thinking this one is backwards, you may feel differently. Note that the top binding just stops on both sides of the body.
http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/Museum/Mandolin/Regal/RegalPearloid/RegalPearloidViews/regalmando02.jpg
Jim Garber
Jun-28-2006, 10:19am
Here is B&D's take on the Regal. I may have even been built by Regal but with an arched top (from Folkway Music) -- one that I missed owning by a hair.
Contrary to this thread, I actually am attracted to this design.
Jim
Jim Garber
Jun-28-2006, 10:23am
Her is Der Baskit Kase (actual name for this maker's instruments).
Jim
Jim Garber
Jun-28-2006, 10:26am
Electric by Ray Matty
Jim Garber
Jun-28-2006, 10:28am
Not sure if these qualify as scrolls...
Jim
Does that last mandolin look like Bullwinkle the Moose to anyone else? (I meant that in the nicest possible way).
markishandsome
Jun-28-2006, 11:04am
[QUOTE]The defense that somebody put their sweat into an item so therefore it shouldn't be viewed as ugly holds little merit.[\QUOTE]
I'm not saying they shouldn't be viewed as ugly, but it's just plain impolite to say so in a public space. If you had me over for a fancy dinner party that you worked real hard to put together and I shouted out "these potatoes taste like moth balls!", you'd be hurt and probably offended.
Mass produced mandos are one thing, but when something is obviously hand-made by an individual like the first few on this thread, I feel like there's a line that gets crossed. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy it, but if you don't have anything nice to say...
I'm not trying to lecture anyone or tell them what to say, I'm just explaining why sometimes threads like this make me a little uncomfortable. Maybe I'm just too sensitive. Probably has something to do with being so doggone handsome http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
bradeinhorn
Jun-28-2006, 11:11am
But isn't the point of this website to impress personal views strongly on others?http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
But isn't the point of this website to impress personal views strongly on others?http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif?
Why of course it is.
Look, keep in mind that real people build those mass produced mandolins. People that own factories pay designers, the machines are run by people that take pride in their work, and real peopel market them. In other words there are real people sweating those things out too and I don't minimize their efforts.
You have to click on this message thread to read it. If it offends someone they can choose not to read it. I personally am offended by most of the newspaper editorials I read. In order to avoid being offended I stopped reading them.
With that said this salad I'm eating tastes like mothballs. Maybe worse.
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jim simpson
Jun-28-2006, 5:49pm
As starter of this thread (and a Libra) I did examine my intent when I read markishandsome's concerns. I tried to formulate a response/defense and couldn't quite come up with one. I like the responses from DiegoMoon & JEStanek. They said what I believe. I also really like some of the examples others are posting. I have only carved one scroll so far,I now have a first hand impression of how hard it is to do. I believe most posters here are doing it in the spirit of fun. That's my only intent.
F5G WIZ
Jun-28-2006, 6:59pm
Deigo:looks like the hippo off Madagascar to me.
It could be a hippo...
It does look like a cartoon animal or sorts.
jasona
Jun-28-2006, 8:35pm
I'm not saying they shouldn't be viewed as ugly, but it's just plain impolite to say so in a public space.
I will with great humour point out the irony of someone named "markishandsome" fighting against accusations of ugliness. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
How about renaming the thread "scrolls with a different esthetic?"
Keith Erickson
Jun-28-2006, 9:28pm
How about renaming the thread "scrolls with a different esthetic?"
Holy Moly!!! Talking about being politically correct http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Okay if it avoids the thread from being locked up....
Oh and by the way Jim...
...that one mandolin looks like a gingerbread cookie. Yes the one that Diego thought looked like bull winkle http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
budtrain45
Jun-28-2006, 10:46pm
Any one know what this is? #No name inside or anywhere els.
budtrain45
Jun-28-2006, 10:52pm
This is the peghead of the old mandolin. Could not get the hole mandolin in the picture, It was to big.
delsbrother
Jun-28-2006, 11:25pm
Hey, that's a Shutt!
Please - post more pix!!
Here's a Shutt/Scroll extravaganza featuring mandolins very similar to yours:
http://www.harpguitars.net/iconography/shutt-cadenza.jpg
Professor PT
Jun-29-2006, 12:37am
Man, if you dress up like that, you better prepare to spend a lot of nights alone( or in the company of two guys dressed the same as you ).
Man, if you dress up like that, you better prepare to spend a lot of nights alone( or in the company of two guys dressed the same as you ).
You can't do that to me first thing in the morning, my heart can't take it.
This one is available for sale right now on that well known auction site and the seller says it's old and not chinese.
http://i9.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/83/7f/2c_1.JPG
mandopete
Jun-29-2006, 8:58am
I don't care if it isn't politically correct, those are some ugly scrolls!
budtrain45
Jun-29-2006, 3:31pm
Here is the back side.
Tailspin
Jun-29-2006, 3:48pm
Man. I used to like f style mandolins. Thanks alot.
Antlurz
Jun-29-2006, 3:49pm
This one is available for sale right now on that well known auction site and the seller says it's old and not chinese.
http://i9.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/83/7f/2c_1.JPG
I'd assume the delicate bridge repositioning was a precision adjustment of it's intonation?
Or maybe an alternate tuning for Chinese boing boing folk music? http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
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Ron
The nice thing about this one is that you can store by hanging it in the closet.
Antlurz
Jun-29-2006, 7:44pm
Looks like that hole is just about the right size for shelling popcorn off the cob. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
Ron
JEStanek
Jun-29-2006, 8:00pm
If you played it like a lap steel it could hold a malty beverage!
Who says scrolls like that have no purpose?
Jamie
Jim Garber
Jun-29-2006, 11:31pm
Any one know what this is? No name inside or anywhere els.
Could be a Shutt. Predates Gibson in the use of f-holes. Here is another scroll-less one.
Jim
I want one of those hats.
jim simpson
Jul-06-2006, 10:31pm
Here's a Soares'y (sp?) mandola:
Yes, but they almost tell you it's questionable wokmanship in the auction text.... does it count if you admit it isn't good? http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
tnpathfinder
Jul-07-2006, 2:25pm
Yet another coffee spew caused by DiegoMoon. That "hang in the closet" comment was too funny!
ebay.....the land of ugly scroll:cool: