Dorian Pentatonic Scale (1 2 m3 5 M6 )

[mandocrucian]

This promotional video showed up in my FB feed.... Demonstration of Dorian pentatonic as used by John Coltrane. 1 2 m3 5 M6 (Sorry for the typo the thread title.) Moderator note: typo fixed

(The Japanese call this "Kumoi", one of their traditional scales) There's enough in the video to give you a good idea of how to use it if you are more of an advanced player.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4RnvI3eSzY&t=60s

Thought this might be of interest to some of you.

Niles H

[DougC]

This is such a great explanation of the variety of chords that can be played over a simple 5 note modal pattern. Also a revelation for me at least, of what Coltrane was doing; using a Japanese pentatonic mode. Wow.

My head is already swimming with interval patterns so I'm not sure this is the same mode. However these girls really 'Rock Out' with traditional instruments.


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[mandopops]

Thanx, Niles.
As a supplement video, check out Guitarist, Jens Larson’s Coltrane patterns from a couple of years ago. I think he did an update recently. All powerful ideas.
Joe B

[catmandu2]

Trane, east Asian music, love it. Love John Coltrane

[mandocrucian]

I need to clarify re: Japanese Pentatonics. 1-2-m3-5-M6 is DORIAN pentatonic, but not "Kumoi"

Hirajoshi, Japanese minor pentatonic (1) is:
R-2-m3-5-m6. Rooted on D: D E F A Bb

The other Japanese pentatonics are modes of Hirajoshi

(Japanese pentatonic 2)
Kumoii: (D E F) A-Bb-D-E-F or (rooted on A): R m2 4 5 m6 R

(Japanese pentatonic 3)
Iwato: (D) E-F-A-Bb-D or, Iwato rooted on E: R m2 4 b5 m7 R

- - - - - - -

If we rooted these on D...

D Iwato
D-Eb-G-Ab-C = 1-m2-4-b5-m7

D Kumoi
D-Eb-G-A-Bb-d = 1-m2-4-5-m6-


Okinawa, though politcally part of Japan, is culturally distinct as it has it's own history, languages, and is 400 miles or so south/southwest of Kyushu, the southernmost of the 4 main Japanese islands

Okinawan pentatonic is 1-3-4-5-7 of a MAJOR scale. D-F#-G-A-C#-D

There is some confusion about the "names" of the Japanese scales as different areas or people will use different names for them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_musical_scales

Niles H.

(PS: Among the Soundcloud selections (on the link below) thereare a couple of solo blues improvs which incorporate some shamisen/sanchin and koto type stuff put onto mandolin. )

[catmandu2]

I spent this morning playing clarinets and flute along to wise one. Thanks for it Niles :)

*in fact i just tuned my guzheng thus - shoot i thought the camera was facing the right way, anyway..


https://youtu.be/bIPYB1xfTic

[catmandu2]

Here it works as well .. sun ra's music is laden with different stuff...im particular to whole tone scales, weird and beautiful ensemble pieces, suites, standards .. Sonny combined flutes and bass clarinet a lot, bari saxes, heavy rhythms, lots of weird percussion, textures, melodies - love it.


https://youtu.be/NpWBBIgUCGU



https://youtu.be/uwQmdywv9MQ

[BrianWilliam]

Thank you for posting that video Niles. Such cool sounds.