Unusual listening suggestions please

[PhilGox]

Hello!

Happy new year to all!

I'm looking for inspiration for my mando and banjo playing so I need your help please.
I'm looking for artists to listen who play modern music using mandolin, mandola, banjo or anything tuned in 5th.
By modern music I don't mean for exemple a jazz player who plays «Summertimes» with an electric mandolin.
Nor a young artist playing bluegrass for exemple.
(Even If I respect and appreciate those styles of music.)
What I'm looking for is any artist who escapes from traditional or usual playing of those instruments.
Could be hip-hop, pop, world music, ambiant, techno, rock, etc... anything that is not pure traditional music.
Something new to listen for a new year, please. :)

Thanks for suggestions.

[Bigtuna]

Andrew Bird comes to mind. He plays the fiddle/violin. His new album is pretty modern. Check out his series on YouTube, Live from the Great Room.

[Bertram Henze]

Thile? :whistling:

[Mandolin Cafe]

Our MP3 page (http://www.mandolincafe.com/mp3/) could keep you busy for several hours with the likes of Alex Gregory (https://bit.ly/2hLxHT1), but that'd just be a start. Being that you're in France I'd think you'd be listening to Yann Tiersen who plays several tuned in fifths instruments and is way outside anything mainstream.

Let us know when you convert this to banjo.

:))

http://www.mandolincafe.net/mp3/gregory.mp3

[JEStanek]

While not in fifths, this morning I watched this. Rhiannon Giddens is an amazing player (banjo and fiddle) with a angelic and authentic old time voice.

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Jamie

PS: She was with the Carolina Chocolate Drops earlier and I recommend their recordings as well.

[pops1]

Google "Big Blue Sky Project" and find some tracks to listen to, should be some there.

[Paul Busman]

Thile? :whistling:

His duo albums with bass player Edgar Meyers are definitely out of the box playing by two superb musicians.

[mandocrucian]

I don't really understand what you are looking for. Are you wanting to hear mando player that avoids (clichéd) "mandolin" note sequences, and plays vocabulary derived from other unrelated instruments? Are you searching for mando that incorporates the sonic techniques from other instruments?

Pitches are just pitches, regardless of what instrument played them. Note sequences are not limited to the "instrument of origin". Then there is the articulation and phrasing of the pitches - are you using the slurring, or vibrato, or muting etc. etc. which turns a black&white drawing into a color painting? A Monroe-style mando player can play a BB King solo note-for-note and it won't ever sound like anything except a Monroe guy attempting some BB King licks.

I've spent decades working on making what comes out of my mandolin sound more like it was played on other instruments. I dislike that dry "every note with a separate pickstroke" articulation, the lack of LH vibrato, bending or microtonal tweaking of the pitch, and so on. If I learn a Santana, Hendrix, Garcia or SRV tune/solo, I want it to sound like one of those guys was playing a mando instead of an electric guitar. Just the pitch sequences alone doesn't cut it. Same thing if something comes from clawhammer banjo, or pipes, steel guitar, fiddle......

Just go directly to the source, be it Clarence White, Richard Thompson, Dr John, Paul Desmond, Django, Chubby Wise, Leon McCaulife, Swarbrick... The sound is right there on the records. You can find transcriptions of what they played in guitar mags, on the web if you need help with the pitches they are playing. Why do you need a "mandolin intermediary", except as a possible demonstration that it can be achieved? Want something even more challenging? - try to get the nuance and phrasing of a vocalist on your mando. Etta James' "At Last" or something by Ralph Stanley, Billie Holiday or Sandy Denny. (or Gabriel Yacoub!)

I always like listening to musicians who played other instruments primarily, and really didn't have any mandolin-tradition background simple because they just adapted what they were doing on their main ax. They'd always play the instrument in a non-mandolinney way. I'd have loved to have heard a tape of Hendrix doodling on a mando that someone had just handed him.

Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull), Ry Cooder, Martin Carthy, Mike Doucet, Steve Earle..... their take on the instrument reflect the way and what they play on their primary instruments. Andy Irvine, may be a "mandolin/mandola/bouzouki" player, but his playing was highly influenced by various other instruments and the approach was NOT traditional at all when was playing with Planxty, though it may seem so now because other players have used him a model.

Niles Hokkanen

http://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=53768&d=1254801461

[PhilGox]

Yeaaah!

Thanks for suggestions

@JEStanek: Rhiannon Giddens and Carolina Chocolates drop, I love this!
Some funky rythms with old instruments and it really grooves!

@mandocrucian: Thanks for interest. I agree with what you say but may be I've not explained very good what I'm looking for.
I don't want to play BB King or Hendrix on my mandolin.
Even if I love Hendrix and BB King, this is not new and has been played millions of times.
What I would like to hear is modern music with traditional instruments.
For exemple I might as well have asked: "Do you know artists who mix their own mandolin style with funky beats or hip-hop sound?."

I've made this topic because everytime I take my mandolin or banjo for impro, the instrument seems to drive me to traditional things. No way to escape this.
Somewhat the same as when I took a diatonic harp and say: "Can I play something else than blues with this?"

I know it is possible to play nearly everything mandolin but I need inspiration.

So any suggestion is welcome, thanks :)

[mandocrucian]

@mandocrucian: Thanks for interest. I agree with what you say but may be I've not explained very good what I'm looking for.
I don't want to play BB King or Hendrix on my mandolin.
Even if I love Hendrix and BB King, this is not new and has been played millions of times.
What I would like to hear is modern music with traditional instruments.
For exemple I might as well have asked: "Do you know artists who mix their own mandolin style with funky beats or hip-hop sound?."

Well if you know what kind of sounds you want....or the style. ..just start imitating stuff you hear in those forms, and do it. (BB and Hendrix were just examples...and the point was that you can't play with regular old trad. mando technique if you want it to sound right.)

Besides...if someone is already doing it on mandolin...then it really isn't "new", is it? Start writing your own stuff.

Even though the following came out way back in 1980, if you aren't familiar with the album, you may find it "inspiring".(Or you can go back to Trout Mask)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS4gFc9tHH8

[Paul Hird]

"Caleb Klauder and the Foghorn String Band". Just found these folks about 3 months ago. Lots of fun tunes and Caleb's mandolin style is fun to listen to. I'm playing several of their tunes and am really enjoying them.

[Charlieshafer]

I'm game for a try: Dana Leong, cello


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DRa6sEO2CI

Love his stuff, great guy, great player and teacher.

Or:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8XwondlDu8

[Spruce]

"Caleb Klauder and the Foghorn String Band". Just found these folks about 3 months ago. Lots of fun tunes and Caleb's mandolin style is fun to listen to. I'm playing several of their tunes and am really enjoying them.

I just did the recording on Foghorn's new one, and it came out great...
Stay tuned...



What I'm looking for is any artist who escapes from traditional or usual playing of those instruments.
Could be hip-hop, pop, world music, ambiant, techno, rock, etc... anything that is not pure traditional music.
Something new to listen for a new year, please. :)

Thanks for suggestions.

I've kinda been known to float outside the box... ;)
You can download my mandolin recordings at the links below...
...and the price is right...

[catmandu2]

While not in fifths, this morning I watched this. Rhiannon Giddens is an amazing player (banjo and fiddle) with a angelic and authentic old time voice.



I love Rhiannon (and Don, and banjos ... especially gut/nylon-strung and minstrel style, etc), but I hear this as very traditional musical approach. ..?

Wrt the OP's interest/pursuit...an interesting dilemma. Personally, the attraction I find in the (acoustic) mandolin - and fretless/minstrel banjo a la Ms Giddens, et al - is in rendering traditional and trad-based music. For funky or prog this or that, I go to other instruments.

How about an electric mandolin, then? An awful lot can be done with electronics ..

*oh, you're seeking listening material - I see now (d'oh). It's funk you want? - how bout a double bari/double bone section? - https://youtu.be/sPRG7W8R7iM
Or, something a little more subdued. .
https://youtu.be/Q9lP44andaA

[keithb]

Tin Toy Cars

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[David L]

"Strength in Numbers" is one of the best non-bluegrass albums by any of the "new-grassers". It is Sam Bush, Bela Fleck, Jerry Douglas, MarK O'Conner, and Edgar Meyer playing all original tunes.

[Perry Babasin]

Bela Fleck and the Flecktones. I've been following them for years. Astounding musical mash-up!

[catmandu2]

Here's another I'll throw at you for 'inspiration' - Gismonti's 'Sanfona' https://youtu.be/JrSE2J1EQiI (or any other Gismonti side). Transcribe something, emulate, synthesize, hallucinate, dream... Listen to 'Cavaquinho' - compose such a piece for another stringed instrument ..

I like brazilian music - for 'funk'

[bigbendhiker]

Here's a couple of songs from an artist I really enjoy, Willie Tea Taylor. He plays a tenor guitar. It may or may not be what you're looking for, but give him a listen. There's much more on YouTube and SoundCloud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmgQOvkV5HA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7gEcU1KR-g

[dawgmike94]

What about Chris Henry? He does ultra-traditional stuff for sure, but I've also heard weird stuff from him, one album I know of is "Making My Way to You." It's on Spotify if you do that. I would consider it pretty inventive. Tracks like "Time" or "Spirit Traveler" or "Robot World" may not be exactly what you're asking for but sure I wouldn't consider them run-of-the-mill or anything.

[Magnus Geijer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFvvLuomw0Y

I've always wanted to do a mando equivalent of this one.

[Barry Wilson]

I get a kick out of these guys. Steve and the seagulls


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc

[farmerjones]

So does this mean you've already listened to Hamilton Ironworks, and The Pizza Tapes?

[Tom C]

152743

He tune in in a different tuning. Cant quiet recall but he lowers different strings by a step as he goes thru each of his tunes.
He was at mandolin Symposium the first year and thought he was the best of instructors.

[string dude]

I listen to Baka Beyond, a Afro/celt band, that encompasses mandolin & other crossover elements. There's a lot of inspiration to be gathered from world beat music. It gets you out of all those easy cliches, that are played in the main stream of music.

[Brian Sullivan]

I might echo earlier suggestions- Andrew Bird, in particular. How closely are 'modern' and 'weird' related in your mind? A few that come to mind:

There's always the cello goblin himself, from this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS_-E8TzaZs), or this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtEctfzOmeI), and then it gets weird (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlQysce6Jzg)from there.

For banjo loopy percussive shenanigans there's always Tall Tall Trees (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubv92f5MEWI).

Lastly, don't sleep on some Kishi Bashi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqAmZHkkTg). Good song writing, IMHO. Plus a background in Carnatic violin and whatnot.

[indexless]

Steve Reich / John Adams ‎– Variations For Winds, Strings And Keyboards / Shaker Loops

[Dagger Gordon]

Efren Lopez

http://www.efrenlopez.net/web_angles/angpresent.htm

[Malin]

Rushad Eggleston (Cello)
Gregory Liszt (Banjo)

[CWRoyds]

I have been enjoying Dominick Leslie’s mandolin on both the Brotet album, and on the Grant Gordy album. He is a really awesome player, with a very cool style.

The Brotet: Samson Grisman (Bass) , Dominick Leslie (Mandolin), Alex Hargreaves (Fiddle) and Nathaniel Smith (Cello)
https://brotet.bandcamp.com/releases

Grant Gordy: Grant Gordy- guitar, Dominick Leslie- mandolin, Alex Hargreaves- violin, & Paul Kowert- bass
https://grantgordy.bandcamp.com

The younger generation that come out of Bluegrass are doing some really interesting stuff that reaches new places. Great players all.

Dominick Leslie: http://dominickleslie.com
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Dominick-Leslie-975458482529614/

[Charlieshafer]

Rushad Eggleston (Cello)
Gregory Liszt (Banjo)

As cellos have been mentioned a couple of times here, you have to go back to the original inspiration for guys like Rushad, a singular character named Michael James Kott, who played with the Plank Road Stringband back in the '60's and early '70's, making their unusual mark at Galax. Rushed credits him as being his inspiration to go in the direction he went. Michael played a lot of high-speed pizzicato, and in general made the whole band jump. The great story about him was how he'd busk in Venice, Cali., playing his cello using a strap (cellos and straps go back 300 years, so not that big an invitation) but while riding a skateboard. Apparently he was pretty popular, but it was tough to catch up to him to tip him.

All I have of the old band is a field collector's recording cd. As to what he's doing now, it's pretty atmospheric stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gdyYWHBISk

[catmandu2]

Abdul wadud, ernst reisjeger, Erik freidlander, cornelius cardew (re cello)

[lenf12]

Check out Chris Biesterfeldt's bebop mandolin album. Quite unusual listening indeed.

Len B.
Clearwater, FL

[Caleb]

I recommend Ashley Broder's TWO TREES: a very modern, off-the-beaten-path, and mandolin-focused recording.