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telepbrman
Mar-02-2005, 1:25pm
Hey there, I know three titles:
Cherokee
Cherokee Shuffle
Cherokee Maiden
Now what famous artists should I look up for a good clean cut version of each, and which one is usually done in the Jazz context...yes, I know this is an odd question, but I keep hearing about some Cherokee and I don't know which one to pay attention to, learn, or track down....SIDENOTE: I am a big Danny Gatton fan, and he has a cover of Cherokee on Unfinished Buisness...BUT, I don't know which one of the above his verson is.....anyhow...fill in this lost dude, dy.
Mandomax
Mar-02-2005, 1:46pm
I think Gatton is playing "Cherokee," which Bird (Charlie Parker) made famous as his favorite tune. I think Ray Noble wrote the original "Cherokee" and it was subtitled "Indian Love Call." I recommend any version Bird is playing, esp. the one off Yarbird Suite- the complete Savoy recordings (I think this is the right title). It is titled "KoKo" on those I think- again, I am at work and don't have the disc in front of me to confirm. Bird plays it so fast it is scary- not for the faint of heart. They way he is tagging extensions left and right, it will either make you hit the woodshed for a few years, or hang it up. Good stuff. I've also heard a sweet chord-melody version of this for jazz guitar by Joe Pass. I could be wrong about the titles, so anyone, feel free to correct me.
Later,
Max
John Soper
Mar-02-2005, 2:16pm
If you're looking for plucked string- centric versions of Cherokee: Don Stiernberg's version on "Swing Sessions" or (for a really neat intro- or really warped) try Oscar Alleman's version on the "Swing Guitar" Album pu out by Acoustic Disc- one of my all-time favorites.:D
The first one - already mentioned
The second one - Appalachian fiddle tune, usu. played in A major, has a cousin called "Lost Indian", usu. played in D major
The third one - I think a western swing tune that has lyrics, I have a BG Cardinals grassified version.
Gary S
Mar-02-2005, 3:27pm
Cherokee Maiden I believe was a Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys song. It was also covered by Merle Haggard.
telepbrman
Mar-02-2005, 11:46pm
Fantastic scoop, and this is why the Cafe is so cool...later, and I'll keep you posted, dy.
nobleheart
Mar-03-2005, 1:50am
Cherokee maiden was a Bob Wills tune..Asleep at the wheel also covered it...
Martin Jonas
Mar-03-2005, 9:32am
Sheet music and mandolin tabs for a nice version of Cherokee Shuffle is here (http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/tab/tab1/cher.html). If you want a different take on it from the usual old-time approach, try the version by Fairport Convention (on their 1973 album "Nine"), played as a set with The Brilliancy Medley. They play it at lightning speed, alternating between Dave Swarbrick on fiddle, Dave Pegg on mandolin and Jerry Donahue on acoustic guitar.
Martin
jmcgann
Mar-03-2005, 1:28pm
Three TOTALLY different and TOTALLY great tunes!
I don't have the CD in front of me, but doesn't Bob Osborne do a tune called "Cherokee Lady" - or something close to that on Mandolin Extraganza - c'mon guys..., it's the one where he(Bobby) talks about him & Sonny doing work with a symphony orchestra. This'll bug me all day..!??## - maybe have to leave work!?## - help me out - right or wrong!?. Moose http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
You can hear the swing tune Cherokee at the Jethro Burns Lessons under links at this website.
...and Don Stiernberg dissected this tune over several issues of MWN.
he-day
Mar-04-2005, 2:05pm
One of my favorite “Cherokee” recordings is Clifford Brown and Max Roach’s “Study in Brown” I believe the first track is Cherokee. If you are a Hard Bop fan, you should check out this CD. #
Hide Kawatsure
Santa Cruz, CA
Pete Martin
Mar-07-2005, 9:11am
Cherokee Shuffle was writen by the noted fiddler Tommy Jackson. #In his version, he plays only one B part, AAB. #A good version of this is on Aubrey Haynies "Doin My Time" CD, one of my favorite recordings of the last # of years.
I've been on a Clifford Brown kick recently, will have to look for Cherokee. #Hi Hide!
kurtwestphal
Mar-07-2005, 9:18am
Cherokee on Johnny Smiths "Moonlight in Vermont" CD is an excellent chord melody version, very applicable to mandolin. Very Hot!
jmcgann
Mar-07-2005, 9:36am
Konnichawa Hide!
Yeah, Clifford Brown is another "humbler"! Getting some of his lines on the mandolin is VERY illuminating as to how to deal with chord changes, melodically, in a jazz context. What a giant! And tragically killed at the age of 23 on the PA Turnpike!
Tal Farlow claimed to have recorded the fastest "Cherokee" at quarter note= 400. Like music, but faster http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
Pete Martin
Mar-08-2005, 12:23pm
400!!http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif Holy sakes!!! Even the whole notes couldn't last lang that way.
Maybe he wanted to turn it into "Cherokee Hornpipe". Was there a banjo player on that recording?? http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
AlanN
Mar-08-2005, 12:25pm
I have that Tal version, muy rapido, for sure.
jmcgann
Mar-08-2005, 12:31pm
From the album "Stringbean ("There's No Money Above the 5th Fret") and Tal Together Again For The First Time" on Old Dominion/Blue Note Records.
I heard they are doing a tribute to Ynqwie Malmsteen recording this year... http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
"Stringbean & Tal(Farlow?)...." - Surely you joke!!?? - or am I missing something.... http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Joel Glassman
Mar-08-2005, 2:10pm
Their blues now sound very similar...:O
jmcgann
Mar-08-2005, 5:20pm
Joke? ME? http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif
he-day
Mar-12-2005, 2:25am
Hi Pete, Genkidesuka John,
Pete,
Although Clifford Brown was in the scene for a short time as John mentioned, he left some great recordings. I like “Incorporated” and “At Basin Street” too in addition to “Study in Brown”. #How about you, John??
Hide Kawatsure
Santa Cruz, CA
Ted Eschliman
Mar-12-2005, 6:40am
Cherokee on Johnny Smiths "Moonlight in Vermont" CD is an excellent chord melody version, very applicable to mandolin. Very Hot!
Oh yeah!
Disturbingly clean, too...
jmcgann
Mar-12-2005, 11:02am
Haven't heard any Clifford that wasn't amazing...I am working through the Emarcy boxed set...the recording with "Delilah" and "Parisian Thoroughfare" with Harold Land on tenor is a big favorite of mine...
To think of playing with that facility and imagination at that age makes me feel very old! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif