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    I guess we all prefer to use whatever tools we are most comfortable with. I make mostly guitars, so it is natural for me to try to adapt some of the techniques and procedures that I'm used to from guitar making when I make the occasional mandolin. Routers, and especially laminate trimmers, have many uses in guitar making, and it is common among guitar makers to have quite a few of them, set up for special tasks. When the Bosch Colt laminate trimmer, which is really a relatively light weight, powerful compact router, came out about 10 years ago, it seemed about perfect for lots of guitar making tasks. So I bought I bought 5 of them, and they now all have their bases permanently mounted to various jigs and fixtures. The trimmers all have different bits, and since they can be removed from their bases, I sometimes switch them around between bases(jigs) if I need a different bit for a special operation, rather than change the bit.

    My binding jig is a parallel arm type contraption, which moves the router at a fixed vertical axis, and it is mounted on a cradle that can be adjusted to hold a guitar body in the proper position for routing. For mandolins, I had been using a Dudenbostel style jig on my router table, with spool clamps to hold the instrument level, but on my most recent mandolins, I got the idea to see how the guitar binding jig would work. The guitar holding cradle can’t be adjusted for a body that small, but since I attach mandolin necks Siminoff style (before binding), the neck makes a fine handle to clamp the instrument in a vise. The results are fine, and very predictable. I store this whole thing on the wall when not in use, and just clamp it to the bench when I need it, so there is not set up time to speak of. I probably wouldn't build something like this just for mandolins, the more compact jigs that have been mentioned work just fine, but if you have one laying around...

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    That's a great setup, Arnt.
    With yours, when the router arm is at 90 degrees to the primary (red) arm, you get a torque reaction effect, too. So I bet you can climb-cut all day long without the router getting away from you.
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    Yes, you have pretty good control with this system. With guitars, I always cut from the widest part of the bouts towards tail-waist-neck block, it seems to be the best way to get a clean cut. With mandolins, at least F-style, there are other challenges as well, but this jig takes cuts the "easy parts" effectively, anyways.

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    Beautiful setup Arnt!

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    I agree. I've been hunting around for one of those arms that won't cost me one of mine.

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    The "arm" part of my jig was made by Gary Hallam in England, who is a guitar maker / machinist. He made a batch of 10 units IIRC, for a group of guitar builders over on "Luthier Community", and the price was quite reasonable (even including shipping to Norway, to the US would probably be a bit more). I don't know if he'll be making any more, wouldn't hurt to ask I guess

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    Garry now sells these (I have no financial interest in the enterprise, even though there's a picture from my shop on his web site).

    http://www.luthiertools.co.uk/

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    I built something very similar to Arnt's setup some years ago. I think I got the plans out of an article by Harry Fleishman in the GAL publication. It works on the same principle, but is constructed of maple with a few bearings. It has worked pretty well, but there is too much slop in the bearings, and the thing sags quite a bit under the weight of the trimmer. I love the concept, but I'm ready to pitch it if I can't figure out a way to tighten it up - and I have no clue how I could accomplish that. What's ideal about it is it doesn't take up a lot of space, and I can stash it behind the bench when I'm not using it. I'm looking at the LuthierTools site - and while he has the photo of the binding jig on the home page, I don't see a price for it, and don't find it listed on the product page. I'll have to write, see if it's something he is still producing.
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    I have seen vaious setups shown in this forum. I simply bought a set of 80 pieces from Harbor Tools (about 30$), which include a rotary trimmer tool (cheap Dremel I believe + all kinds of bits) and use it to cut the binding channel, no other jigs is needed and the binding channel is cut really clean and fast (I followed some guidances in this forum for the directions to move the tool around the body to avoid trouble).
    Some of the bits in this kit also serves perfectly as a nut slot files.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkmm View Post
    I have seen vaious setups shown in this forum. I simply bought a set of 80 pieces from Harbor Tools (about 30$), which include a rotary trimmer tool (cheap Dremel I believe + all kinds of bits) and use it to cut the binding channel, no other jigs is needed and the binding channel is cut really clean and fast (I followed some guidances in this forum for the directions to move the tool around the body to avoid trouble).
    Some of the bits in this kit also serves perfectly as a nut slot files.
    A set of 80 pieces of what ?
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    OOps wrong thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by belbein View Post
    OK, so I'm a little over 1/2 way in my Octave mandolin
    What would Zeno have to say about this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackheathen View Post
    What would Zeno have to say about this?
    Yeah, well, it was shortly after that post that I resigned myself to the fact that setting this sucker up (nut, bridge, frets...) was going to take a lot longer than building it. If I could get my hands on Xeno, he'd be dead.

    Of course, he already is. Bet he was a luthier.
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