I too know Joe and Fan, and their incredible work. They are both absolute top notch builders. I have not dismissed any of their work. I have dismissed people who have spoken here in this forum who don't have enough experience to talk about Stradivari on a high level. There are MANY makers today building violins that sound great and will sound great for generations. But they will never be Strads. And the makers I am talking about would agree. Remember Strads aren't great or expensive because they sound good. For the same reason Loars cost what they cost because of WHAT they are.