Well, it certainly has not had a later repair, but there is a lot of crud. Here's another closeup of that detail...
Well, it certainly has not had a later repair, but there is a lot of crud. Here's another closeup of that detail...
Here's the back of the scroll...
I've never given it a lot of thought ,but I assume pre-laminated binding like we get from Stew-Mac didn't exist back then ,and that they probably did bind in two stages. I've also noticed some separations between the .060" ivoroid and the black line in some of the earlier photo's in this thread, and that would be another clue.
All I know is this is fun and interesting.
Boy David !!
That sure is a nice looking piece of maple.
It's still hard to tell on the top, but it looks like a slipped miter. The back miter looks right.
I wasn't inferring it had been repaired. So far as I know, the only thing I remember was the board coming off at MerleFest a few years ago and me having no clamps, or glue pot with me at the time.
Charlie
It looks like the builder scraped the binding before the joint and thats what makes it look like it is filled. I could be wrong, but that is what it looks like to me. It left a high spot right at the point.
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Hi, Charlie. I wasn't implying that you were suggesting it might have been repaired. Jim Hilburn was wondering if a repair might have been done. Yes. I remember your concern when the fingerboard came off. I fixed it myself when I came home. You can't tell that it ever came off. However, you are right about it looking kind of like a botched job. They should have had you inspect it before it left the factory!
Here is one picture of the fingerboard extension, Spruce. You can also see one of my old Ludwig drum sets. This is the kit I used on the Springfield Exit CD.
And here is another...
Aha!!
David, is that last picture an older picture? Look how nice the miter looks in that last one.
Inspect, heck. I love the "maker's marks" and individuality of a hand-made piece. Perfection is for machines and spoils the beauty.
Let's have a contest. Anybody know the wood used for the extender? Be very specific. If you win, you get a cookie.
Dave, Darryl, Ken, Brian, Spruce....you can't play because you know too much, already.
Charlie
my instinct says ebony, but the way the fibres are fraying I have to say mahogany. But I know little to nothing about wood
"...while a great mandolin is a wonderful treat, I would venture to say that there is always more each of us can do with the tools we have available at hand. The biggest limiting factors belong to us not the instruments." Paul Glasse
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Charlie. The last picture was just taken right before I posted. Different angles and different lighting make a world of difference. Besides...no changes to the binding have occurred since it left the factory.
Charlie. I played a 2002 Master Model over the weekend. It was naturally "distressed" by the owner. It even had spiderweb checking, just like my Loar. The binding scraping was right. It even sounded and felt like a Loar. Wow!
Here is the scroll point on my Pag. Is this what they were trying to do at Gibson in 1923?
Here's another shot of the Pag. I promise I won't get out of hand with Pag pictures on this Loar thread, but I thought these two might be interesting for comparison.
Birch under the extension???
If I can guess the wood for the fingerboard extension, I want the distressed master model that was at the NAMM show! Even if I am disqualified, I want it!
Madacassar Ebony Charlie??
Macassar ebony.... I get the cookie! <G>
Dude
D'oh! Always go with your instinct!
"...while a great mandolin is a wonderful treat, I would venture to say that there is always more each of us can do with the tools we have available at hand. The biggest limiting factors belong to us not the instruments." Paul Glasse
Stumbling Towards Competence
Lynn......
You cheater. I didn't know you were watching!
FREE COOKIE !!
David, PM me.
Charlie
HA! Maverick was close.... no cigar, but I'll split the cookie with him! I'll collect at SPBGMA. See you soon....
Dude
OK Guys, back to the binding thing. #I think it's apparent that the binding was applied in 2 passes. #
I know I'll get alot of flack on this...but one thing I have noticed in these mitres (including the big scroll on the peghead is this: #on the side bound Loars only..not like Davids...........The binding channel is overcut in length at the mitre...one piece is glued in passed the point where the mitre tip should be. #The other piece gently butts to it with only a slight mitre to the end. #The excess binding is gouged out to make the joint look right and a small amount of filler is added. #I'll take some pictures to demonstrate. #But you can see a small "bump" just passed the mitre tip on every one of them (they did the F4's this way too)
They did the PH scroll similarly in that the binding is either removed so that it's below the surface..or simply painted over to accomplish the right effect/shape to the mitre
Back to the top bound ones like Davids..yes this was the first triple bound (Jim H). #Also notice the snow white inner line. #They were not all this way, some had ivoroid. #Additionally those line are more like 0.025-0.027. #Which is why is't hard to get binding on pickguards or F'5 "copies" to look right. #Everybody sells 0.020" stuff (remember they dealt in millimeters on the binding, since it was imported) #Most every piece of original binding is an odd size compared to today. #The pickguards were two layers of 0.070. Later they were single layer after they ordered thicker stuff #standard single binding on side bound Loars, F4's and A-models was 0.70"
Darryl G. Wolfe, The F5 Journal
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Same here Mav... I'm a terrible speller. But Macassar is commonly confused with the island of Madagasscar, and I'm not sure I'm spelling either one just right. There are some incredible rosewood species on Madagasscar, but I don't think ebony grows there.
Dude
I've used some Macassar ebony. It works nicely, doesn't chip as bad as Gaboon(Gabon) ebony and is significantly lighter in weight and color. It made some nice bridges, but they look like dark rosewood
Darryl G. Wolfe, The F5 Journal
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