"Do not gladly suffer fools...."

**Rick Lindstrom** · Jul-06-2011, 8:11pm

I think it was either Shakespeare or Twain who said that. Either works for me.

A mandolin is a tool, regardless of brand. The player is really the instrument, and the mandolin plays them.

Oooooommmmmm.......

Peace-

Rick

**Markus** · Jul-06-2011, 8:50pm

I've met a few players who were tools, thankfully most are not.

**allenhopkins** · Jul-06-2011, 8:53pm

Originally Posted by Rick Lindstrom

I think it was either Shakespeare or Twain who said that. Either works for me....

St. Paul, Second Corinthians 11:19, is the source; he actually seemed to be saying that the wise can "suffer fools gladly."

I like Lincoln's attributed quote: "It is better to be silent, and be thought a fool, than to speak [or post?] and remove all doubt." But even that's a paraphrase of Proverbs 17:28: "Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

**journeybear** · Jul-06-2011, 9:08pm

Ruh-roh! This sounds like the same theme as the thread that just got shut down ...

I thought Franklin said that, not Lincoln ...

Lord knows I've been saying that for decades. Maybe I should have taken my own advice!

It may not be the original, but it is a lot smoother. And actually a bit different - Solomon said a silent man was deemed wise; Lincoln said he may be thought a fool, though not proven one until the silence was broken, thus possibly implying he could be wise without this proof.

Oh rats! I thought I had wandered into the Semantics Symposium. This is the Mandolin Café. My bad.

**P.D. Kirby** · Jul-06-2011, 10:03pm

One more Bible passage and the Mods will slam the door on this, me thinks

**Keith Witty** · Jul-06-2011, 10:29pm

Originally Posted by BLUERIDGEBORN

One more Bible passage and the Mods will slam the door on this, me thinks

"And Jesus wept."

**catmandu2** · Jul-06-2011, 10:40pm

Originally Posted by Keith Witty

"And Jesus wept."

"And the Moderators did smote them..."

**yorick** · Jul-06-2011, 10:40pm

William Blake said,"If the fool would persist in his folly, he would be wise." I am still trying to figure out what he meant, but it sounds good.

Jim Owen
Eastman 604
Martin 00018

**catmandu2** · Jul-06-2011, 10:41pm

Sounds like Neitszche

**allenhopkins** · Jul-07-2011, 9:11am

Using the Bible as a quote source, is not-repeat-not the same as "discussing religion." It's the source of a huge amount of our vocabulary. I tread softly in this area (moderators take note!), but the term "suffer fools gladly" is, at its source, from St. Paul, not Shakespeare or Mark Twain.

Gotta be careful, needn't be paranoid...

**Jim Garber** · Jul-07-2011, 9:30am

I hope this is not too religious...

**1-2-many** · Jul-07-2011, 9:42am

Originally Posted by allenhopkins

Using the Bible as a quote source, is not-repeat-not the same as "discussing religion." It's the source of a huge amount of our vocabulary. I tread softly in this area (moderators take note!), but the term "suffer fools gladly" is, at its source, from St. Paul, not Shakespeare or Mark Twain.

Gotta be careful, needn't be paranoid...

Amen brother.
And I'm not sure if it pays to be well read, but it sure helps.

**journeybear** · Jul-07-2011, 9:44am

So now, is Mr. T. (fka Laurence Tureaud) gonna start saying, "I suffer the fool!"

**Pez D. Spencer** · Jul-07-2011, 1:28pm

Who was it then that said "Time wounds all heels"? Denny Crane said "Rome wasn't burnt in a day".

**fatt-dad** · Jul-07-2011, 1:53pm

after all the Bible talks of baseball, "in the big inning. . . "

f-d

**outdoors4me** · Jul-07-2011, 2:51pm

Heck, the Bible even talks about car brands. It says that the disciples were all in one Accord.

Beck

**Nighttrain** · Jul-07-2011, 3:23pm

**Ed Goist** · Jul-07-2011, 3:37pm

Originally Posted by Pez D. Spencer

Who was it then that said "Time wounds all heels"?...

Probably the same person who said: "Champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends."

**Kevin Stevens** · Jul-07-2011, 3:52pm

**steve V. johnson** · Jul-07-2011, 5:52pm

Allen Hopkins sez: "Using the Bible as a quote source, is not-repeat-not the same as "discussing religion." It's the source of a huge amount of our vocabulary."

And most of the popular song lyrics written in America since the beginning.

stv

**Gary Hedrick** · Jul-07-2011, 6:14pm

I have read many a post that lead me to think that the author was just that.......BUT I can just choose to ignore the ignorance. It ain't worth my time and effort to get worked up over it.

But I do like reading all the quotes and sources in this thread......also I thought Oscar Wilde said this....probably one of many to have uttered it.....TTFN

**Rick Lindstrom** · Jul-07-2011, 6:25pm

Hah-hah! I love the way that forum discussions can go wildly awry.

My original post was in response to missing the opportunity to post to a (I thought), ahem, prematurely closed discussion.

What I was interested in was a philosophical interchange about the idea that the player is the instrument and is played by the tool, which is the mandolin. Meaning the mando itself is far less important than what it produces through the medium of the player.

These are deep woods to enter, I realize, and fraught with peril. Oh well. Carry on smartly!

Rick

**catmandu2** · Jul-07-2011, 6:37pm

Originally Posted by Rick Lindstrom

I think it was either Shakespeare or Twain who said that.

Well, I have it from rather good authority that it was neither Shakespeare, Twain, nor the Bible...but in fact Andy Warhol

**Randi Gormley** · Jul-07-2011, 9:03pm

I've always been fond of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" although I can't vouch that that's the exact wording. Meaning, of course, that more knowledge is better since serious errors arise knowing only a little...