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    If you do this for a month it will change your musical life!

    I am a musician in my soul. I am a musician like a duck is a bird; it is just what I am. For much of my life music was something I listened to not something I participated in with an instrument. It spoke to my emotions and the essential energetic core of my being. For me, like many others I am sure, sound or more specifically musical sound has a profound effect on my day-to-day existence and even the current state of my moods during the day. I remember my life based on what I was listening to and huge growth changes have always been marked by some
    kind of musical growth as well.

    As my connection to sound matured I began to want to understand music and possibly create some. I started with the piano, then the viola, back to the piano and then off to the clarinet and finally back to the piano. During this time I grew from the age of say ten to twenty-one and in those eleven years did not learn a single jot of music that stuck with me. I don't know if I tried or didn't try or if the teacher was good or bad. I guess none of that really matters at this point. In the end it was not until my daughter was born that I decided the language of music would not be lost to me. I chose to play the mandolin because a friend had one and it sounded nice enough but more importantly at the time it could fit in an airplane over-head compartment.

    I played more and more regularly as the years went by trying hard to understand how music worked. I already loved bluegrass and could memorize music. I could read standard notation and learn songs but for me all that was just memorization. In the end I didn't know what was going at all I just knew if I played the notes as written it sounded nice. Often, once the tune was learned, I would try to improvise. It was sloppy and unintentional no matter what and despite well wishers and teachers saying, “just keep playing” I was heading towards at stopping point. I could memorize all the music I wanted and knew if I just keep noodling around I would eventually get some kind of understanding of music but I don't want that. I want to speak the language of music fluently, period.

    This desire kept me going for as much as six years or more. Eventually I learned five or ten songs and could play in jams as long as I stuck to the melody or chopped chords. I began to go to music festivals (If you don't your missing some of the best a life with music has to offer) and with my five or ten songs I would drift from jam to jam watching other monster musicians’ make their instruments do things I never imagined. I wanted to play like them so bad that all I can do is assume that the reader "knows" what I mean because words don't really get the job done.

    I would befriend every good musician I meet and try to get them to give me the secret. I say secret because that was what it was to me. Everyone could speak music effortlessly except me. I had tried with teachers and by myself to figure it out with no luck. The good musicians that I befriended would all essentially answer as best they could my very open ended pleadings, "What are you thinking while you play?" or "Why did you play that like that?" or "How did you know that would sound right?" Every time without fail I would walk away more confused than I started with some knew practice technique that if I just practiced would be the one that did the trick. They never did.

    And so it went. My efforts at learning just seemed to be stalling and I am sorry to say that I was loosing hope. There were definitely times when I would question if it was just me, maybe I was not a musician that played an instrument. My life might have to be one of listening and not making, acceptable but sad. Well, now I know, that's just bull####!

    One day at work (some work ethic) I was surfing the internet and found jazzmando.com. Ted Eschliman ran the site and had some method/system he called Four Finger Closed Position (FFcP). I just said “what the hell”, it can't hurt and seems like a focused approach. I didn't know Ted,
    hadn't heard anything about this FFcP thing anywhere, I was coming in cold. I followed his instructions to the letter and for a month played these scales. I didn't really understand where anything was going. Ted tells you that you’re going to start to make a "tactile" understanding of music but I threw all that out the window. He said if I just practiced them something good would happen and it took all the motivation I had left to just do that. HOLY ####!

    I am hear to tell you as one struggling musician who almost gave up entirely if you want to learn to be a musician on an instrument (particularly the mandolin) and speak the language of music fluently Ted's website and subsequent book, "Getting into Jazz Mandolin" is it. It might not be the only way but it is the only one that helped me. What he teaches in his method is universal. Its fundamentals are the essential fundamentals of music, the architectural building blocks of western music.

    Lazy people, just start reading here:

    I will not tell you about the most interesting parts of my journey with Ted's book. It wouldn't do you any good and would be hard to put into context if you don't know anything about his book/system. I will say that what I am about to tell you is smallest but most startling little bit of joy I got just as I started out. Once I achieved it the door to the world of music cracked open.

    If you follow Ted Eschliman's FFcP system by playing the exercises he outlines in the way/order he dictates for a single month, once a day you will be glad you did.

    I can say this because I did it. To end the suspense here is why it works.

    Strength. The first thing you have to do to follow Ted's larger system is practice and become proficient at his basic exercise. It is a set of four patterns that you memorize. They are not so much just patterns of notes as they are finger patterns you make on the fret board. There are
    no open strings allowed and initially it is a feet of strength and flexibility. Do this! Don’t stop doing this for a month. Play them as
    long as you can without hurting yourself but for no less than twenty minutes. Do if for a month. You have my word, a change will come.

    Your fingers get strong and dude that is the secret. All of a sudden
    you play deliberately. Once you start doing that you can watch your fingers in a totally different way. Your fret board will start to take on a different meaning and slowly you will see the door start to open too.

    What makes this method different you say?
    Where most of the methods I have looked at before give you exercise and concepts they have no logical beginning and end. They typically leave you with a bunch of unrelated exercises that if you practice and comprehend get you to a place of higher understanding. Ted’s book says start here at step one. Follow these steps and by the end you will speak the language, period. It is like a map you just follow and at first apply nothing more that muscle strength if that’s all you have but soon the needed muscles develop and your brain stops instructing your fingers so much. With the free time your brain will have to find something else to do. Believe it or not it will start to learn.

    I guess I should stop at this point. There are very few things I actually voice my support for in this life. I don’t post on blogs regularly; I read but never participate in the mandocafe lists. I’m a self centered person who usually takes the approach that life belongs to each of us individually to figure out for themselves. I now know music has no secret. If I apply myself to Ted’s method how good I become is up to me and how much free time I have to practice.

    Thank you Ted Eschliman.

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    Thanks for the great post
    very well thought out, executed, and heart felt

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    Here's a link to Ted's Four Finger Closed Position excesizes at Jazzmando.com.

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    Just a note for anyone that thinks Ted is ignoring this post. He's sick with the flu and unable to get to the computer for any length of time. I'm sure he appreciates the message.

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    I have seen the FFcP on JazzMando, but never did anything about it...apparently my loss...With such a resounding and well written endorsement, I went again and printed them from the site...I am going to spend the next month working them.

    Thanks Ted! And Get well soon.
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    Thanks Jamie
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    Probably the best long post I've read here...and I feel quite the same about Ted's contributions.

    I've been working on his FFcP method for awhile, and just received Getting Into Jazz Mandolin today. Once I started the fretboard just kinda fell into place logically for me...and I'm still learning.

    Why this method clicked for me while my other music methods didn't (at least not so strongly) is a mystery to me.

    Thank you Ted for your great work!


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    I have used Ted's Four Finger Closed Position excersizes and not only has my musicianship improved but I lost 36 pounds of ugly body fat and now have six-pack abs.

    Sorry, I have been watching way too many infomercials....

    And now... back to our regularly scheduled program...

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    I stated how valuable I found Ted's book in another thread, but I don't want to miss the opportunity to say it again.

    It's helping me TREMENDOUSLY. It's like someone began to tell me the 'secrets' of the instrument.

    Thanks again, Ted!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gormanst View Post
    If you do this for a month it will change your musical life!

    Thank you Ted Eschliman.
    A question... are you on Ted's payroll??? If not you should be!

    You know I don't like jazz that much but you have made me curious I am going to check out Ted's site closer (I have brisked through it quickly in the past) and maybe try some of the exercises.

    Maybe Ted can change MY life too! LOL!

    thanks for the post and get well soon Ted!

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    This post is making me curious as well. I think I'm going to check it out.
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    Ditto on all the Ted love!

    In addition to everything that's been stated, Ted's approach to teaching concepts changed the way I think about the mandolin. I now tend to approach the mandolin from a modular point of view. Whether it's learning a new tune or figuring out chord voicings, I look for patterns and break things down from there. It's made a profound impact on my playing and had allowed me to comprehend topics that I previously felt were beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim_n_virginia View Post

    You know I don't like jazz that much but you have made me curious I am going to check out Ted's site closer (I have brisked through it quickly in the past) and maybe try some of the exercises.

    Hey Jim. I don't think Jazz really has anything to do with it, other than getting outside the box on different keys. The most important aspects to FFcP is the 4 different patterns that can be found all over the fretboard and how they are interconnected. Also, it builds that pinky and improves stretching of the hand.

    I gathered this from about 30 minutes of working on it this morning.
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    This is a very interesting thread. I guess I thought everyone saw these patterns. Since I'm a visual learner, I'm always looking for these patterns. While I have been haphazardly practicing these patterns for awhile mostly to get my pinky into play, I've not had the musical epiphany as described above. I think mostly because I have not drilled consistantly for a month. I'll drill for a moment then drop into a fiddle tune if it happens to share the same note run (sooooo A.D.D. am I, hey let's go ride a bike).

    At first glance, it also looks similar to how arpeggio's interlock and can be moved about the fretboard. I've been trying to get ahold of those to form a roadmap for double stops.

    The question I have is does any of this method overlap with the "Bluegrass Up the Fretboard" lessons. I just got that book too and am trying to figure out which direction to go in.

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    I have said in the previous threads that the exersizes felt to much like exersizes to me, but after reading this thread I gave them another try and I must say with my new mandolin, they are sounding much more musical than I remember and making so much more sense (now that I am not fighting my way up the neck) I will definitly be spending more time with these in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jkf_Alone View Post
    after reading this thread I gave them another try and I must say with my new mandolin, they are sounding much more musical than I remember
    You can really hear the musicality of the exercises on the book's CD, which should help folks get past simple sight-reading and move into the "freeing the mind" part.

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    Thanks to this post, I too am revisiting the FFcP, which I conveniently in a binder of exercises I've compiled. I tried them for a few months when I was still completely green on the mandolin. They helped my dexterity a lot but I didn't have that same connection with the fretboard, possibly because I had to focus so much on the finger motions. I may be at a point now where I can better make the connection. Thanks for the reminder and well written review.

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    Since the issue of December 2003, Ted also writes on Mel Bay's mandolin session:

    http://www.mandolinsessions.com/backissues.html

    FFcP is really a great Ted's idea:. Gormanst is not the single recipient of this splendid teaching. I continue to learn each day from him, and I await impatiently, my specimen of " Getting in jazz mando"...
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    When I started diving into the mandolin earlier this year (I've been playing guitar for 17 years) I spent a lot of time working on things that I picked up from Ted's articles and website. It sounds like my instincts were good to do that!

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    So, is this basically a version of the CAGED system (taught for guitar) but done on mando?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Big_Crunch View Post
    So, is this basically a version of the CAGED system (taught for guitar) but done on mando?
    Kind of. Less explicit emphasis on chord tones and more on scale tones.

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    I think what happens is that when you first learn an instrument, mandolin in my case but likley guitar too - you learn by emulating the sounds you hear that you want to make. Since I came originally from a woodwind world, I started out with a melody, and worked everything out in first position, and learned tunes by memorizing long strings of notes.

    A lot folks learn chords this way too - find out what the chords are for a particular tune, learn the chords and play them.

    What happens is that it becomes hard to generalize from a specific tune. To move up the neck, or to play it in a different key, or to improvise, or figure out chords for a tune you haven't had shown to you...

    I ended up being able to play a lot of tunes on the mandolin, but never learning to play the mandolin itself.

    I transferred my woodwind music reading skills to the mandolin, so that I knew where to put my finger for any given black dot on the page, so then I was able to play what was put in front of me. But even so, I was playing the music in front of me on the mandolin - sometimes beautifully, but never spontaneously.

    Exercises like Ted's really transcend any specific tune. I learn to find my way around the fretboard, and how to play the mandolin itself, and not just a particular string of notes or chords, whether memorized or displayed in front of me. It really opens the door to everything, tunes come to the fingers faster, new tunes are easier to learn, harmonies, chords, and double stops make sense are portable into all keys, and improvization becomes so much more than what some folks do: learning some hot licks in few particular keys and waiting for the next tune in that key so you can pull them out.


    Its good stuff, real good, and its good to see all the unselfconscious enthusiasm about it. It really is what they mean when they refer to playing "on a whole new level".

    -If you are not playing music, you better be at work, church, or fishing.
    -Try stuff out. Stick with what you like. Repeat.
    -"You don't really feel the tune unless you play it for a long time" ---Tommy Jarrell
    -It takes roughly a decade to sound like you've been playing for ten years.
    -The main thing is to keep at it.

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    Teds book changed my life too. Now I realize how old and out dumb I really am. I didnt understand any of it.

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    I began working on these lessons a while back when the first ones started showing up on "JazzMando" I have the book now & my only issue is that it isn't with a spiral binding for fliping and holding the page down.
    I know not a big deal for a truly good time taking another step towards learning to use the instument to make music & not just memorize music.
    Good stuff for any Mandolin player.

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    I've taken a quick look at the FFcP stuff before but never gave it much time. Yesterday I sat down and went thru the first bunch of exercises.

    I like these exercises. They really give your fingers a workout and they are good sounding. I also think that going back and playing the scales between each exercise is a GREAT idea.

    Well done!

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