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    Since the electric mandolin is something of a niche instrument unless you really stretch out on it, I'm wondering how the rest of you have adapted your electrics to your style/taste in music.

    In my case, I've made a conscious decision to stay as far away from bluegrass/mandolin styles on my electrics as possible. My early experiments with my Schwab (just after I got it) demonstrated to me that I was going to have to invent a hybridized style of playing if I was going to get out of it what I wanted.

    I spent a long while (at least two or three years) coaxing Steely Dan licks and various other jazz-type musics out of the Schwab. It was easy to adapt to the Steely Dan style, because so much of the really fun stuff is single note, and the fun I had playing, note for note, Dan guitar solos (that I had never been able to touch on the guitar) was enough to convince me early on that I had found the right instrument.

    But, my chording suffered considerably. Typical mandolin chords just don't sound right when incorporated into most rock music. There's something vaguely whiny and too major about them. I got a little fed up with trying two-finger variations on them, some of which worked and some of which were miserable failures.

    I returned to playing mostly single note runs and occasional double-stops of one type or another, and pretty much stayed away from chords altogether.

    Then, a brief experimentation with a Flatiron bouzouki gave me what I needed - exposure to barred two- and three-finger chords that could be played over a short distance, and that had a very guitar-esque power-chord-ish sound.

    When I took that back to the emando, it was exactly what I needed. It's not that I was looking to completely replace/mimic a guitar, but since I would prefer to play the emando in a band setting (and most groups I play with don't want to play bluegrassy stuff) I need to be able to sound like a guitar (tonally) in the right places.

    With those barred chords, I can do what I wanted to do: play rock riffs interchangeably with decent soloing ability.

    Hence, my recent foray into Queen.

    I've played with the following:
    <ul>[*]Steely Dan: this one is pretty successful. They're jazzy enough that standard mandolin chord voicings often fit right into the music, and there's enough solo work in there that you don't always have to worry about chords.[*]Huey Lewis and the News: I don't do this often, but it's surprisingly easy on the mandolin.[*]Queen: Really gave me a run for my money early on. First one I ever tried was Killer Queen, which was relatively simple, but stuff like "One Vision", "Hammer to Fall," or "I Want to Break Free" was a nightmare. But, using those barred power chords and a good boost, it's possible to get surprisingly close to the May tone. And the rest is just fretboard acrobatics.[/list]

    Those are a few of my attempts. Needless to say they're not always successful, but I played with some guys the other weekend, and the entire songlist comprised groups like Zeppelin, the Who, Pearl Jam, AC/DC, and (hooray!) Steely Dan. "Reelin' in the Years" was a blast.
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    I mostly play jazz or swing styles on the electric on the rare times that I do so.

    The tune Loon's Delight on my myspace page is a early 1960s EM200 Gibson solidbody thru a '64 Fender Vibrolux reverb.

    I don't polay much rock tho. I did try once to play that mandolin at a contra dance but there was too much sustain. It got quite muddy sounding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (jgarber @ May 31 2007, 08:39)
    I mostly play jazz or swing styles on the electric on the rare times that I do so.

    The tune Loon's Delight on my myspace page is a early 1960s EM200 Gibson solidbody thru a '64 Fender Vibrolux reverb.

    I don't polay much rock tho. I did try once to play that mandolin at a contra dance but there was too much sustain. It got quite muddy sounding.

    Jim
    That reminds me of something else that I forgot to mention. When I was learning to play the electric, I tried too often to do fast picking and runs like on the acoustic.

    God, what a nightmare that was. You're absolutely right, the emando has far too much sustain to make playing it like an acoustic very easy.

    I pretty much gave up on that, and my right hand does a pretty convincing electric guitar-picking mimic these days.

    Heck, I've even started practicing fretboard tapping as a style. "Eruption" on an emando. Tough, but I'm getting there.

    On a related note, how is that EM200 to play? I coveted one of those for the longest time, until I realized that it wouldn't really fit my style very well.

    They're such gorgeous instruments, though, I may get the dude from "Oldtown" to build me a 5- or 6-string version someday.



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    I play jazz, latin, and some pop on my Fender 5 string.
    Since I'm doubling (I primarily play violin), I only get to
    the mando on 4-5 tunes during an evening. Last night I only
    played 3 tunes on mando all night, but I did play a ballad I hadn't played on mandolin called "Beutiful Love" by Victor Young. Nice line and changes. I'm still struggling with chords
    but I'm finding better voicings with the 5 string. I play in
    a duo with a guitarist and I try to comp changes when he solos.

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    jazz and a little blues, and for fun i like playing classic rock type stuff

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    A good guitar processor can give you an amazing variety of sounds to choose from, expanding the musical possibilities. I use a Digitech RP350, which not only has 70 presets, but allows you to control literally EVERY processing paramater.

    My emando is a Fender hollow body, and I hardly ever plugged it in until I got the processeor. Then a whole new world of creative ideas came gushing out.

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    What you're telling us is "Just by chance you crossed a diamond with a pearl"? #

    I think the people down the hall know who you are.

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    I think Pink Floyd in general sounds great on the e-mando (an EM200 for me as well) also bluesy Cowboy Junkies stuff.

    BTW, I liked Jim's "Loon's Delight" recording a lot. I'd thought about selling my EM200 until I started to record it, but it was too easy to get a great recorded sound.




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    4 string setup [EM 150ish] in CGDA does well at weekly Jazzy jam,
    as Pianist favors key of C, F, and Bb.



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    I play mandolin in a weekend (mostly) cover band and have great reactions to songs by John Mellencamp with my 'acoustic' rig which is a Fender MF62e through an ART preamp into the board. Mellencamp though, used a lot of fiddle and accordion and mando can approximate those sounds. I play mandolin on Marshall-Tucker's "Can't You See" and i do the flute parts, and it really changes the character. I use my Mandobird for 'hillbilly-jazz' flavored western swing sound, kind of like Tiny Moore and Johnny Gimble did. The Mandobird can also some cool melodic Van-Morrison things on songs like "Wild Night" and "Brown Eyed Girl". People just love the 'pretty' quality that an acoustic mandolin sound gives songs and i'm in love with the instrument. I'm falling in love with the electric Mandobird and i've got a builder from our midst ... Andrew Jerman, building me a 5 string solid body electric with a mandola-scale that i hope will take the place of the Mandobird and give me the lower range and a better pickup. Stay tuned for pictures, kids !!
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    I have been fooling around with a friend's electric mandolin (an Epiphone Mandobird), trying to emulate the playing of Tiny Moore and Johnny Gimble, who played electric mandolin for Bob Wills and the Texas Playboys.

    Anyway, its fun.



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    I had great hopes for my Mandobird and perhaps with a few more tweaks I will get the sound to a point I can still realize some of those hopes. Right now it is just a toy I rarely play. I read a quote by Jethro Burns about emandos. I probably don't have the exact wording, but he said words to the effect that he was a decent guitar player and that if he was going to go pure electric, he would much rather play that on the guitar. It just worked better. I am not in his league, of course, but I feel the same way. When I am trying to play my electric favorites, really I miss my Stratocaster, which I traded in on my Rigel A+. I will get another one someday.

    I don't think this is a put-down to emandos as much as it is a compliment to acoustic mandos. The 8-string acoustic mandolin/mandola/zouk/etc. is just such a great sound that it is hard to change the format.

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    Quote Originally Posted by (jflynnstl @ June 28 2007, 17:21)
    I read a quote by Jethro Burns about emandos. I probably don't have the exact wording, but he said words to the effect that he was a decent guitar player and that if he was going to go pure electric, he would much rather play that on the guitar.
    'Course Jethro was known to play emando on occasion.



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    I play swing on mine--mostly listening to guitarists
    with vintage styles and country-jazz players like
    Jimmy Bryant, and on mando Johnny Gimble and Tiny Moore.
    Will have a recording out later this year. --Joel

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    Quote Originally Posted by
    I read a quote by Jethro Burns about emandos........ but he said words to the effect that he was a decent guitar player and that if he was going to go pure electric, he would much rather play that on the guitar. It just worked better

    How does Jethro know all the right things to say I've started to come full circle and am realizing this myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by
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    I read a quote by Jethro Burns about emandos........ but he said words to the effect that he was a decent guitar player and that if he was going to go pure electric, he would much rather play that on the guitar. It just worked better



    How does Jethro know all the right things to say I've started to come full circle and am realizing this myself.
    With all due respect to Jethro (and you Perry), I am using my emando on an album project with a band I play with in Austin, where I am also playing electric guitars. I find that emando (I'm using a Rono "baritone" 5 string, tuned G (low) to B (high)) has a unique voice and really has a place that is very different from guitar. These tunes are in the Dave Matthews/Steely Dan vein, so my emando is "joined" by various effects (distortion, delay, looping,etc.) BUT it is still more mando than guitar (even the power chords!). I am also finding that because I have 3 pickups (and a push/pull to split the humbucker in the middle position, giving yet another pickup choice) combined with a relatively short scale (compared to guitar), the tonal palette is different in a good way. And the producer seems to be agreeing. I've actually heard "I know this is a guitar song, but lets add a mandolin track."

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    Quote Originally Posted by
    I find that emando (I'm using a Rono "baritone" 5 string, tuned G (low) to B (high)) has a unique voice and really has a place that is very different from guitar
    That's cool...

    hey Clem what does the term "baritone" mean? Is that low G the same as a low G on a mando?

    A 5 string with low C get's a bit closer to guitar range but if yours has a high B phew that msut be some pretty tight tension!

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    I play emando in a electric country string band works for me
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    Perry,
    Baritone is an Octave lower than the regular violin/mandolin pitches,
    18" scale, Octave mandolin with a B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by
    Baritone is an Octave lower than the regular violin/mandolin pitches, 18" scale, Octave mandolin with a B
    Oh okay thanks for clarifying...so it's like the guitar's range

    Kidding aside I am of course am a fan of mandolin; both acoustic and electric.

    There is a unique sound to the electric mandolin and the tuning results in unique intervals to be sure. Often though the electric mandolin (especially single course) will sound very much like an electric guitar played in the upper range.

    So what I think what Jethro was referring to is the fact that you can get those sounds on electric guitar and a whole lot more.

    Yes 'tis true an electric guitar will never sound exactly like an electric mandolin and vice versa. That's why I like to play both during purely electric type shows.

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