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    On another list that I belong to, the following was posted. My questions after you read this...... Sorry, it's a bit long, but worth it IMHO.

    Your choice to listen to bluegrass on Internet Radio is in Real,
    Immediate peril again from March Govt. Regulatory Ruling - Background
    & TAKE ACTION below!

    Coporate Music Rules America (RIAA) is trying to vastly limit your
    listening choices once again, folks. Please take a moment of your time
    to look over what I have put together below on this issue, then please
    take action - Thanks, Steve.

    (Note: For those of you interested in some background see directly
    below. For those of you who want to TAKE ACTION! immediately see
    further down the page at the *****).

    BACKGROUND: On March 2, 2007, The CRB (Copyright Royalty Board)
    approved royalty rates that will bury any small webcaster and create a
    heavy burden even for big broadcasters like Yahoo and AOL Music.

    How did this happen? The RIAA (Recording Industry Association of
    America) told the CRB thats what they wanted, and the CRB just gave it
    to them.

    Your're probably thinking, hey that's awful, but who are the the RIAA
    and CRB?

    RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) is a lobbying group
    formed by the five largest record labels. They are embedded in
    Washington D.C. They make sure laws are written to keep them rich, no
    matter what.

    The CRB (Copyright Royalty Board) is part of the US Copyright Office.
    The Board is charged with determining the royalty rates that would be
    determined by a willing buyer and a willing seller in a marketplace
    transaction. They decided to jack the rates beyond a broadcasters
    means despite decades of royalty rates being 1 - 2% of broadcaster
    revenue.

    In sum, these new performance royalty fees are based exclusively on
    the number of people tuned into an Internet radio station, rather than
    on a portion of the station's revenue. They discarded all evidence
    presented by webcasters about the potentially crippling effect on the
    industry of such a rate structure, and rubber-stamped the rates
    requested by the RIAA.

    Under this royalty structure, an Internet radio station with an
    average listenership of 1000 people would owe $134,000 in royalties
    during 2007 - plus $98,000 in back payments for 2006. In 2008 they
    would owe $171,000, and $220,000 in 2009.

    There is no way for a station with 1000 listeners to make that kind of
    money. That's over $11 per listener per month in 2007. No Internet
    radio station currently operating comes even close to that kind of income.

    In other words, if they are allowed to stand these rates are a death
    sentence for independent Internet radio stations. The only stations
    that would survive would be those who can AFFORD TO OPERATE AT A VERY,
    VERY LARGE LOSS such as AOL (who would owe over $20,000,000 in 2006,
    far in excess of their income from radio) and maybe Yahoo.

    As quoted in Boston.com on 3-14-07, Mark Lam, chief executive of
    Live365 Inc., a major Internet broadcast service (AND THE HOST OF MY
    INTERNET RADIO STATION 'NEWGRASS, PROG & MORE!', says the new rates
    will kill off most Internet broadcasters. "As the current law stands,
    we are out," he said. The CEO of Pandora, another large, popular
    internet-only broadcast service said essentially the same thing.

    A Big Guy Speaks out against this debacle: DAVID BYRNE (former lead
    singer for the ultra-successful new wave band THE TALKING HEADS) has
    this to say in his blog: "The reasoning that it's for the benefit of
    the artists rings a little hollow as most artists heard this argument
    re: cracking down on file sharing," Byrne writes. "Most never see
    money from their record companies anyway — so the line about 'we're
    doing it for you' is pretty suspect."

    a little guys speak out against this debacle: Matthew Ebel, an
    independent musician and podcaster says in his blog that, "You'd think
    that, as a musician, I'd be overjoyed to see a larger slice of the pie
    going to publishers and, therefore, guys like me. Hell no. Would I
    like to see a little chunk of change every time my music gets played
    anywhere? Of course I would. But am I willing to sacrifice the
    goodwill of internet broadcasters and their listeners simply to make,
    quite literally, a nickel?"

    ***** SO WHAT CAN YOU DO/WHERE CAN YOU GO TO MAKE YOUR VOICE HEARD ON
    THIS ISSUE?! No, it's not world peace, and end to hunger, or anything
    even close to that. However, if music is as important to your life as
    it is to mine – being a webcaster allows me the creative space each
    evening to unwind so that I can have that much more mental energy and
    enthusiasm for my full-time job as a special educator in Virginia's
    public schools – then take some time to visit the websites below and
    take action on web radio's behalf.
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    My questions are this: I'm very familiar with licensed broadcast standards and practices and know about BMI/ASCAP/SEASAC requirements. I"m sure the same is implied with BMI/ASCAP/SEASAC for internet radio, but what government regulations are there for internet radio? No license requirements? How can a non government agency shut out a station like this if you are playing non licensed music? Ken Cartwright
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    And how is some tiny US organization going to crackdown on radio stations popping up in Europe, China, or... Iran? It sounds kinda credible this report, but then it sorta sounds like that "The postal service is going to charge us for email soon." The artists will win eventually, in any case, they're taking more and more control of their own music in this age.

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    John Baxter(Mandozine Radio) started another thread on this a couple of weeks ago; this seems to be a long standing, long term plan, that will make internet royalties Much higher than those for other media. Apparently the Copyright Royalty Board is under the auspices of the Senate & House Of Representatives, so contacting our Senators & congresspeople is supposed to help. They have a lame form letter response that doesn't look very promising



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    It would be a shame to lose mandozine radio and mandolin radio.
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    I heartily agree; most days when I get home from work, I fire up the 'puter & launch one or the other, sometimes they stay on all night.

    Also, I've found some artists & recordings that way that were "Must Buys", so the artists get royalties they wouldn't without those venues.



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    I have 'signed' two petitions on i/net radio sites that are then sent on to the partucular US Senator responsible for the area from which the radio station broadcasts.
    OK,i'm in the UK (i'm ok in the UK - there's a song title somewhere there !!) but i listen to those 2 radio stations,Bluegrassradio.org being the one i listen to the most.
    Since coming across that station,i've heard bands & solo musicians that i'd never HEARD OF,let alone heard. I have also since then,bough over 30 cd's from County Sales by many of those musicians. If you think of people all over the world doing that ,that's a heck of a lot of sales revenue & exposure that these bands wouldn't normally get. The shutting down of any of these stations can only be very detrimental to everyone involved,especially the bands.
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    Exactly!
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    I think Live365 (the host for Mandozine Radio) did an excellent response to the email SoundExchange sent to their members defending the CRB decision. This gives a clear view from both sides.

    http://www.live365.com/choice/sxreply.live

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    Just wanted to chime in on this...

    Yesterday, the broadcasting coalition lost their appeal, which means that as of May 15th, most internet radio may shut down. At this point, an appeals judge could overturn the ruling or put a stay in place, but that appears unlikely. Legislation could save the day, but it's also unlikely. Lots of folks in the internet radio community are pretty worried about this. A message on bluegrasscountry.org's website has been up for a while saying that this would possibly shut down their station. Pandora put up a special "emergency" message today saying this would effectively shut their down services. More than likely other small broadcasters like mando radio and mandozine will shut down their feeds as well. The only hope really appears to be writing your government reps and making as loud a fuss as possible. I'm tryig to hold out some hope, but it appears that internet musical radio broadcasting in the U.S. will mostly dissapear in less than a month

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    The government has too much power and not enough checks...unless ya count the checks these policy makers are getting in "support" to be re-elected as insane policy's and spending continue on like a freight train turned loose on a steep incline...ok, ok, Im taking my deep breathes now as I calm down.
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    with all the shutdowns coming it looks like the recording industry could be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Raising rates and making them retroactive will force the income currently being generated by internet radio to come to a screeching halt. Although I suspect they actually think this will force the consumers to purchase more CD's and MP3's...yeah,right
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    Quote Originally Posted by (DryBones @ April 17 2007, 17:33)
    this will force the consumers to purchase more CD's and MP3's...yeah,right
    Or start downlaoding illegally at an even greater pace than folks currently download. #This is a case of the RIAA wanting complete control over the whole pie...they don't care how big it is, they just want complete control.

    The government should step in, but I honestly don't think they understand that this is going to wipe out a whole industry. #I'm sure lobbyists from the RIAA have completely insulated those in power from thinking that this is going to affect even one internet broadcaster.

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