Oh well... got sniped by not one but two bidders. This seems to be the going rate for Ceccherinis these days, about £400.Originally Posted by (jgarber @ Mar. 10 2005, 10:22)
Auction was here.
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Oh well... got sniped by not one but two bidders. This seems to be the going rate for Ceccherinis these days, about £400.
Auction was here.
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That is a pity. It looked to be in really nice condition. As Jim said, the last two comparable Ceccherinis that came up went for much the same money; mine was £400 and is virtually identical to this one. Still, I think I got a very good deal, and I think so did the winner of this auction if it is in as good condition as it looks.
Very international field of bidders here: the winner is from Australia and the other bidders were from Finland and Italy, plus Jim from the US.
Martin
I guess that this one is the mandolin equivalent of those German "guitar-lutes".
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Yes indeed. It doesn't look very healty though, with the tension of 8 steel strings on that bridge ... I wonder if it wasn't meant to be strung with nylon strings.
I would think that nylon/gut strings would make sense more than what the seller says: "Ball end strings recommended (Adamas i.e.)."
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A nice looking Vinaccia with fluted ribs has come up for sale on eBay France.
If I was richer at the moment I would be very tempted, as it is I'll just watch to see what this goes up to.
Jon
The anonymnous old French bowl sold by Richard Walz went for 352 Euro. I was considering to bid when it was still at 150 Euro with three hours to go, but it went to a more realistic level in the end. Not a bad price, still, for a fully-restored and set-up instrument out of the hands of a professional player.
In contrast, the market now really seems saturated with entry-level Stridentes, which keep flooding onto Ebay UK. The last one looked in pretty decent condition, but only fetched £44. Here is another one, this time with an unbroken family record of posession from new and said to have been unplayed since 1912 (so at least no chance of having been ruined by modern strings).
Another one that ended pretty cheap for a Vinaccia pupil (presumably because of its uncertain condition) is the Michele Arano, at £51.
I'm rather intrigued by this one. No indication of maker, and the bridge is in the wrong position as well as looking non-original, but what an intriguing figure in the wood of the bowl.
Finally, I see that dave17120 has put the de Meglio clone that he has been restoring (see the discussion and photos here) up for sale.
Martin
Here in the classifieds, someone is wanting to trade a Pandini fro a Knorr or Seiffert. Ad# 13415
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I don't have a Seiffert or Knorr mandolin (I'm allergic to them) , but if he had a nice Embergher to trade, I'd try to find him one.
Ralf... you need to leave a few Emberghers for the those of us who don't have one. You can't have them all!I don't have a Seiffert or Knorr mandolin (I'm allergic to them
I have played a Knorr and they are nice instruments but I would keep my Pandini and get an Embergher, ifthere are any left.
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In a continuing series of my getting sniped on Italian bowlbacks:
I lost out on this Barnes & Mullins. It looks like they were also importers of deMeglio mandolins.
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Dang, Jim, you need a stopwatch. I always punch the buy button about 10 seconds out.
On the other hand, do you really need another "restorable" mandolin?
I have 3 or 4 that need varying degrees of work, and it may take the rest of my life getting it done. And the h*ll of it is, when all is done, I don't know that I'd be keeping any of them; but given the torments I've been thru, I've determined that any instrument I put up for sale will be in playable condition, with no luthiery needed.
Anyone inqured about the Cerrone/Embergher 5b in the classifieds? I emailed a question about the price, but rec'd no reply - a bad sign, indicating that if you have to ask, you can't afford it, perhaps?
It's a nice mandolin, but something happened to the inlay at the soundhole and the scratchplate. The back seems to have had some problems and the first position point has been replaced. The dark varnish on the table does look a bit suspicious as well. The rather heavy bridge would have been made by Calace (and should be replaced by a nice copy of an Embergher bridge if you ask me). It's been on Marco's website for some time now. I've never asked the price, I'm sure it'll be expensive.... well, that's what they usually are nowadays. Anyway, no one can decide in your place what you can or can't afford, it would be only normal to get an answer to your question.
I received an email about this Cerrone in January. here is what Marco said:
It is possible that the price may have gone down somewhat since then. I guess Cerrone mandolins are quite nice but I would think that that price would be for a nice, pristine 5 bis Embergher, not a repaired Cerrone.
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Ralf:
I understand the other comments, but what is a first position point? Do you mean the inlay at the first fret?
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Jim,Ralf:
I understand the other comments, but what is a first position point? Do you mean the inlay at the first fret?
Jim
I mean the mother-of-pearl inlay. In this case the first position point is at the 5th fret.
It is not the right shape, it should have been a flower with 5 leaves, a bit larger than the one at the 7th fret, as on this Cerrone mandolin:
However, this mandolin may be considered a 'real Embergher', as many other 5b mandolins with an Embergher label and signature were also made by Cerrone, or other people of the workshop. These 5b mandolins are all top quality instruments.
Of course, 10000 EUR seems too much for this mandolin, even if it were in good condition. At an acceptable price, it wouldn't have been for sale anymore.
Any clue to the high price -- for an American mandolin -- for this mandoilin, marked RH Macy, Varsity? I would thuink that some equally fancy Vegas would not go as high on eBay.
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Here is, what looks like to me, an Embergher clone that is marked Vinaccia.
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It's a fickle market, eh? It must be that the level of decor and evidently excellent condition is hypnotic to some. This almost certainly is a very late 19th-c. Lyon & Healy product.
It says 1929, which is comfortably later than any other Vinaccia I've seen. Does anybody know when the workshop went out of business? I've also never seen a Vinaccia brand on the soundboard. There's no photo of the label, but the brand incorporates the crest that can be seen on earlier Vinaccia labels. A strange bird, this one. Did Vinaccia try to compete with the Roman workshops in the 1920s?
Martin
Regarding the highly priced Washburn: my maths may be out, but doesn't '12th.fret 5/32" from string to board' = 4.0mm? Highly priced indeed!
Regarding the late Fratelli Vinaccia, the instrument pictured below is described as "F. LLI VINACCIA fu P. LE & Co. ANNO 1926 NAPOLI" at this site. This one looks much more like a Calace to me.
Were the final actively making generation of the Vinaccia family making copies? Or had the name been sold on, perhaps being used on the higher end instruments from a large manufacturer?
Jon
I just noticed the tailpiece on this one:
Nice. This one will go for big bucks...er... euros.
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This mandolin by Mario Casella is sold already but aside from the over the top ornateness, I love the Romulus and Remus theme on the pickguard.
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Consarn it! I would have bought the Casella at that price. The whole "founding of Rome" theme (from somewhere on Sicily?) is really groovy. I really need to find the time to rekindle my eBay addiction.
1903 Martin Style 2 for sale. I found the ad on Mugwumps and the seller says $850 firm -- who knows how long it has been for sale tho. It has a nasty looking crack in the headstock, but otherwise sounds like it might be okay.
For those looking for such a thing.
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