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I would suggest that it was so rare as to be almost unknown and the seller should perhaps measure from the nut to the 12th fret, which will almost certainly be 6.5" (or thereabouts). Mandolins had been around 13"/33cm since the middle of the 18th century (rarely shorter than 32cm) and this sound like an error on the seller's part unless the Vinaccias were experimenting with the new-fangled American ideas of Gibson. Do I remember back a year or so ago a short thread from someone in Switzerland who had inherited some instruments...
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I just asked him that same question, Graham before reading your post.
Jim
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Ian has another nice looking Ceccherini in need of some restoration on eBay right now.
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I heard from the seller and she (?) said: I measured from the nut to the 12th fret... its 6 1/2"
Standard length.
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Don't know how common it is but my Martucci #2 (the maple bowl) which is just about complete is 13-7/8". The new fretboard matches the original and both are right on at that scale. When compared to Martcucci #1 (the butterfly) which has a scale length of 13-1/8" it is obvious that the top bend is closer to the tail even though the bowls are almost identical. Martucci #3 (the scalloped bowl which I recently purchased) is right in between at 13-1/2". I guess the location of the top bend and resulting bridge placement is a variable that works its self out when the top is matched to the bowl.
Fred
Here is something one doesn't see often enough. Graupner and Meyer mandola scale bowlback
G+M Bowldola
which but for the top crack looks to be in quite good condition. The seller references its recent trip to Elderly but doesn't reference a repair to the crack. Not an entirely unreasonable price.
Mick
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Intriguing. The decor is more tasteful and more neatly executed than I generally expect of the era.
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This ebay auction might be of interest to Winder Mandolin fans - some great pictures in this (very affordable) vintage article.
Nice link! It looks like a very interesting article.
Unfortunately, the actually images from the earlier Winder conversation are lost along with their ebay ads. If Jim or Martin have copies of those, it would be great to see them here. I'll post the other pages from the Winder ad for posterity in case no one from the MC winds up with it.
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Thanks, Jim. That Winder doesn't look much like the examples shown in the article DelBro posted unless he was trying very hard to go DeMeglioid. But a very fancy DeM in any respect, if that. (This one has the same treble top-bubble as the one I recently have been working on.) That 'tortoise-shell' neck and headstock veneer is nice. Would like to find out more about JGW.
Mick
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Yes, alas, too many turtles gave their lives for that one.
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I especially love the picture of the finishing table (next to the large window for daylight).
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Graham: I had it set to bid in my snipe program as of a few days ago. If you truly want to the original I can take my bid off. Otherwise I would gladly make a pdf of the whole thing as well for anyone who wants it.
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No bids from me either. On things like these I tend to copy the ad photos and squint. Good luck on the bidding and I hope it stays "affordable".
I'm in Berlin at the moment and dont have access to my poicture gallery but
below is a link to a "Winder mandolin" that i recently sold on ebay (hope the link still works). Again you can see the "De Meglio influences".
I don't know too much about Winder except that he was one of only a handful of builders in England who made bowlbacks circa 1900 era, I've had a couple and the quality has always been very good
Winder
and yes it sold for a song at £69 (Ya win some... ya loose some )
Last edited by trebleclef528; Dec-30-2012 at 5:58pm. Reason: update
Ouch. That went for a relative pittance, even with the shipment to the US. Wish I had known... Nice looking hybrid design to my eye. DeMeglioidal + sound hole/scratchplate variations. Neck and all seemed in good, playable condition.
More Winder, please.
Mick
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