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    Interesting Fratelli Vinaccia here. You don't often see them with a slotted headstock. A simple one labelled 1900 that looks like it needs some work.
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    That is an interesting mandolin, Jim. Curious also is the label, which has an address in 1900 located at 25 Strada S. Maria la Nova. I have Fratelli Vinaccia labels from 1898 and 1909 both from the Rua Catalana address we see throughout the '90s (and where Pasquale had a shop.)

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    While we're on the subject of Vinaccia's, there's a Gennaro Vinaccia violin from 1755 on eBay UK

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    I did find a 1900 date 'F.lli VINACCIA fu Ple e Nipote C. Munier' label from the S.Maria la Nova 25 address when I was trying to puzzle out the various Vinaccia permutations last year. There was the original shop at 53 Rua Catalana until at least 1898, the S.Maria la Nova 25 until around 1902 and the 25 Via Santa Chiara address and then several others after 1909. There is also a 1906 'Gaetano Vinaccia di Gennaro' label at 96 Rua Catalana, but I think he might have been a separate operation.

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    That is an interesting mandolin, Jim. Curious also is the label, which has an address in 1900 located at 25 Strada S. Maria la Nova. I have Fratelli Vinaccia labels from 1898 and 1909 both from the Rua Catalana address we see throughout the '90s (and where Pasquale had a shop.)

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    I will also have to check my numerous Vinaccia files to see if I have anything to add to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I will also have to check my numerous Vinaccia files to see if I have anything to add to this.
    That would be great, Jim. A lot of different skins in the Vinaccia to squeeze through. Graham, you had me looking back in my files and I did find a F.V. with nephew Carlo label with the S. Maria la Nova address, which looks like it is just a few blocks from Rua Catalana. The interesting thing is that the Fratelli were putting out mandolins with the Rua Catalana address both before AND after they were labeling from the S. Maria la Nova address. Seems like they later had a place on S. Sebastiano. All of these addresses including S. Chiara, are pretty close to one another in Napoli.

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    As if we need further reason to fully appreciate the restoration work done by our friends John (aka Tavy) and our all-too-infrequent-vato, Dave, have a look at this Puglisi:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...t_11062wt_1331

    As with many Catanese mandolins, it is easier to appreciate the design brio than perhaps the results. Just the same, it is nice to imagine what a more sensitive hand (such as John's or Dave's) would have brought to this mandolin, which appears to be quite nice and in eminently playable condition. (A lot of work must have gone into those frets..)

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    Here's an earl(ier) example from I Fratelli V with a label type I had not seen before albeit at the Via Catalana address.

    http://www.ebay.it/itm/MANDOLINO-ART...t_11174wt_1486

    Nice looking mandolin, maybe enough to give me the kick to get my Fra' V playable.

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    This top of the line Washburn went for a reasonable. Yes, it has some oddness -- like the notes etched into the pearl fretboard. But at that price and with a non-original but very sellable L&H tailpiece cover, it went for a song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    This top of the line Washburn went for a reasonable. Yes, it has some oddness -- like the notes etched into the pearl fretboard. But at that price and with a non-original but very sellable L&H tailpiece cover, it went for a song.
    Wow, that's a beauty for sure!

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    Not to distract from the feedback and anecdotes from the Aonzo workshop but here is a very curiously proportioned (and named) bowlback: "American-Martha". The birdseye maple is very nice (looks like a good pair of ostrich boots.) A few "American" named companies on Mugwumps. Any ideas about where this might be from? Hoboken?

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    Here is an interesting big bowl from Fernando del Perugia: scalloped fingerboard and northern (Brescian?) style bridge. The side view makes it hard to see the depth of the bowl. The nut spacing is curious, as it looks like it is set up for 10 strings. In my limited experience, this is new to me. Anyone seen something like this before?

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    I have a feeling it was a std 6 string lombard. That tailpiece looks odd and the neck was grafted. both were poorly done. All the other Perugia mandolins I have in my files are more standard 8 strings.

    I believe that Martin Jonas had a real Ceccherini 10 string but it did not resemble this one at all.
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    Nothing Neapolitan about it at all, Ceccherini or otherwise. I think the # of strings is a red herring. The bridge looks like it was set up for 10 or more at one time. The tailpiece for 6. The tuners for 8. Weird. I guess that type of Italian neck joint comes in handy: Frankenstein del Perugia.

    Not having seen one in person, I assumed the Lombardy bridges were of one piece. Either way, maybe some work was done there and this one was also modified/grafted on to the original.

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    This is a new maker to me (but then all the US makes are!), this one made by Rex, and certainly looks the part:
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    Rex is a brandname of the Gretsch Company, at that time in Brooklyn, NY. Outside of the few semi-nasty top cracks and the fact that the bridge is on backwards, it looks like a nice instrument.
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    Are you interested in bidding, John? Nice details at the neck/head and neck/bowl. I also like the rosette MOP quite a bit. I've never been a huge fan of the ornamental scratch plates on classic era US bowlbacks.

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    Jim: you're right that it certainly needs some work.
    Mick: no not bidding - wrong side of the pond to be a viable project for me

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    That Rex has the L&H pickguard shape as well as one of the headstock shapes they used.
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    Very simple D'Angelico-labelled bowlback in not perfect shape with a not perfect price. Some cracks and needs a neckset. Without the label it would prob sell on eBay for $100-200 as-is.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
    In other words, this mandolin is cosmetically “very good plus” but structurally only “good” condition, at best, but, because it is a John D’Angelico hand-made mandolin we feel any modern mandolin collector worth his or her salt (or salt substitute) will want to own this because it was made by the greatest American independent guitar builder of the first two thirds of the 20th century.
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    has weight ever been mentioned in terms of noteworthyness? i asked my friend to lend me the american-made "a. galiano" bowlback she'd once given me (and returned, with thanks) so as to compare it to the german-made "superton sing" bowlback i just bought. when compared, the "galiano" was much heavier, with much less projection than the "sing." is this generally true with all heavier, solidly built mandolins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    Very simple D'Angelico-labelled bowlback in not perfect shape with a not perfect price. Some cracks and needs a neckset. Without the label it would prob sell on eBay for $100-200 as-is.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...
    Wassamatta, "Ol' Salty", the cash-discount price isn't good enough?

    Reading the Mando Bros. cloying ads is pretty withering (or annoying, one.) This one is going to be collecting some Staten Island dust for awhile. I do like the pickguard shape.

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    I have three other D'A-labelled bowlbacks and they all pretty much look alike tho this one has a different font on the label. Mando Bros does have a bunch of new interesting mandolins to try. I might have to make a pilgrimage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    I have three other D'A-labelled bowlbacks and they all pretty much look alike tho this one has a different font on the label. Mando Bros does have a bunch of new interesting mandolins to try. I might have to make a pilgrimage.
    Can you make a pilgrimage by boat? How would you get over there from where you live, Jim?

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    I can either go over the Verrazano Bridge thru Brooklyn or over the Goethals(?) Bridge from NJ. I prefer doing the latter if I have no real need to go into New York City. BTW I did not mean above that I own the D'A bowlbacks, only that I have jpegs of them. Here are a few.
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