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    anyone find it annoying when mandolins don't have dots on the side of the fingerboard?

    and suggestions?

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    Yes, I simply installed them on my 1936 Kalamazoo KM-11. I've got $107.00 into it and it's historical significance is greatly outweighed by my utilitarian need for a mandolin to play at lunch time at work. On the other hand, I'm assuming you are talking about your snakehead and I don't know if I would have desecrated one of those. There's an article on frets.com that describes the process.




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    I had a luthier put 5 on mine for $50. Looks like it came from the factory that way.
    Keep it acoustic.

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    I have a few vintage bowlbacks that don't have side dots. I realized that it was very annoying -- much more so than the fret markers on the fretboard. It esp is disorienting when i shift to the upper positions. On the other hand if you are quite at home with that one instrument, you can find those notes by feel which is prob better anyway.

    Other than that, if it is not a vintage instrument have a good luthier put in the dots. You can get the material from Stew-Mac. Otherwise maybe small pieces of masking tape?

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    -OR just make a dot with a silver or black sharpie

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    Why do I suddenly see images of a vintage Martin guitar I bought one time with the letters EADGBE scratched on the top next to the neck and on the headstock?

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    Quote Originally Posted by (Tom C @ June 23 2006, 06:29)
    -OR just make a dot with a silver or black sharpie
    ...or with a wax pencil so that it is more easily removed if need be. (Drawback: it might rub off and need frequent refreshing.)
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    I added dots by using "Liquid Paper."

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    yeah,

    i'd like something obviously easy to take off but not that i'd need to constantly reaaply.

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    Brad:
    It is not your snakehead, is it? I thought all Gibsons except maybe Orvilles had side dots. Especially 1920s ones and later.

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    Of course, a complete lack of dots is the status quo on classical guitars. You get used to it. Now, when I take up a guitar with dots, I find it very confusing.

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    Sharpie works fine but will wear off with time so you may need to reapply from time to time.
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    I second the sharpie. I had to use it in the studio. green too
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    third vote for the sharpie...mine are still there after a long while and they will come off by just rubbing with your finger for awhile if for some reason ya didnt like them. I used silver for a upright bass and they lasted about a year. I think your 2nd and third positions won't get wore off until your becoming used to "finding" the right spot by muscle memory anyhow. 1 Sharpie = lots n lots of dots!
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    The 21 A was sidemarker less, got it done right. #white dots, got my wee Leo done at the same time.
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    I also find it annoying. I had the dots added to my 1925 Snakehead when it was in to be refretted - before anyone throws anything know that this mandolin has cosmetic "issues" and is strictly a player (not a collector).
    Glad I had it done. In fact, unless someone is VERY knowledgeable about mandolins you would think that it came out of the factory that way.
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    mandroid is right, the rod isn't too expensive. I bought 2 sizes at a local shop since I wasn't sure which I would like. I had to re-bind a fingerboard thus the need to re-dot!. I wondered how brass rod might look instead of plastic.



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    I read somewhere that Bob Taylor actually used brass brazing rod for side dots on something. That would be ok as long as you were going to refinish the side of the neck. If you're trying not to disturb the finish plastic would be easier to install.

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    I have come across a lot of old instruments with what looks like nail polish dots- yes red. They seem to last a long time but I could get them off with a razor blade. I don't think I would try nail polish remover as it might take off more than I want.
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    i added side dots to one of my electric guitars by drilling tiny holes and filling them with white acryllic paint. 10 years later, they're still just as bright as when i added them.
    i have a '13 A with no side dots, and i really don't need them on such a short necked instrument.
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    If you are replacing your fingerboard, it wouldn't take much work at all to put little LEDs in for dots. Run a ground wire to one leg of each LED and the ground post of a watch battery, one leg to each fret, and the positive side of the watch battery to the tailpiece. Then, when you fret the note, the corresponding LED will light up.

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    That would be better for the fret markers on the fret board. It would mesmerize the audience in a dark club.

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    I was just chatting about that with my mandolin teacher - she's a Russian and says it's an American thing to have the dots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by
    I was just chatting about that with my mandolin teacher - she's a Russian and says it's an American thing to have the dots.
    Russians have dots, but never like to discuss it in public.

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    All I know Jen is that Bill Monroe had dots and by God I'm a gonna have them too.

    I added dots to my '35 Kalamazoo and it's now a joy to play. I didn't realize how much I missed them.

    Next time I'll shrink the image file size (sorry)



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