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    This guy has gotten a little discussion elsewhere. It's a ca. 1910s Favilla Bros. piece that cam to me from Fred Oster's Vintage Instruments, Inc. This photo montage is from that shop:

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    It's a bit quirky. The neck is actually wider than the bowl at the join, and the overhang is decoratively bound. The bridge was a bit beyond functionality because of some warping and cracking. It did not come to me with the bridge pictured here, but rather shipped with a period Vega bridge that didn't quite fit. The soundboard is built for excellent structural integrity and is strongly arched, and the Vega bridge's points are thus left floating in space.

    52 ribs, 25 frets, plenty of ornamental pearl--but not too much... I like that the fingerboard eschews ornament, but there are position markers set for the player, along the edge's binding. Whoever commissioned this evidently did so as much for it to be really played as to show off.

    It's currently off to my buddy Chad's shop for some very minor restoration: new bridge, some fingerboard work in upper positions (the extension frets out above 19), replacing a little missing pearl, etc.

    What I'd really like to know is who was "M.V.B." as engraved on the shield in the scratchplate? I'm guessing those to be initials of whoever commissioned the original build and suspect that person was based in New York.

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    That's one nice looking bowl!

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    Thanks, Tavy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eugene View Post
    What I'd really like to know is who was "M.V.B." as engraved on the shield in the scratchplate? I'm guessing those to be initials of whoever commissioned the original build and suspect that person was based in New York.
    Martin Van Buren....???? Nah! Tho I would imagine that this person was a decent player or fancied him or her self so since they had an extended fretboard. Maybe a good thorough looking thru concert listings from the period would find such a person. Then again, it could also have been a wealthy amateur.
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    Hmmm, a potential presidential affiliation is certainly intriguing, but I think ol' Marty predated this piece by a few years.

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    Here are some photos of my German "Superton Sing" mandola (i.e., viola scale, not mandolin). I am just getting ready to post it on eBay. Anyone interested?
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    Quote Originally Posted by barryhall View Post
    Here are some photos of my German "Superton Sing" mandola (i.e., viola scale, not mandolin). I am just getting ready to post it on eBay. Anyone interested?
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    What is the scale length?
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    It's 17.5 inches from bridge to the zero fret. Body is 16 inches and total length is 31 inches. The bowl is really deep (8 inches) which gives it a very resonant tone. Seems to me that it is intended for viola/mandola tuning (CGDA) which is how I have it currently tuned. Sound right to you? The headstock has an impressed name in script that appears to say "Gläsel." As you can see in the photos, the soundboard says "Superton Sing." On the side of the body is impressed "PATENTAMTL GESCH. 1194879" which I assume is a German patent indicator. Does anyone know more about this maker, probable age, etc.?

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    "Superton Sing" was a brand name used by C.A. Wunderlich, one of the large musical instruments wholesalers/distributors based in Markneukirchen in Saxony/Germany. Gläsel is a common surname in the Markneukirchen/Vogtland region and there were a whole raft of violin and guitar makers with that surname -- presumably one of them made instruments with this headstock logo and distributed them through Wunderlich. Here are photos of three guitars with the same headstock logo I found online:

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    Because of the use of the Superton Sing logo, I would think your mandola is probably 1930s -- Wunderlich disappeared from the scene after 1945.

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    Those arch tops are pretty hip, Martin. Check the recurve on those.

    Didn't Bill K pick up a Sing bowl back mandolin a short while back that we were talking about? The longitudinal sound hole looks familiar.

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    Yes. Mine looks like Bill's but my mandola is a lot larger than his mandolin. I wonder if mine was intended for viola tuning CGDA or octave mandolin GDAE. Here's a video of Bill's:
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    Quote Originally Posted by brunello97 View Post
    Didn't Bill K pick up a Sing bowl back mandolin a short while back that we were talking about? The longitudinal sound hole looks familiar.

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    Jim, this mandolin sat in an un-airconditioned boat house in Titusville Florida for at least 60 years!Click image for larger version. 

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    Craig: That is a nice one and it looks like it is in good shape. I like the compensated bridge and the monogram on the headstock. Yours is a simply adorned model but made by one of the top three shops in Italy. Was your grandfather a player?
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    Jim, my grandfather sure was a player. I have pictures of him at Norwich Univ. circa 1916 playing in his dorm room. Then some in his orange groves near Titusville, FL. He was one of the civil engineers who laid out the launch pad sites for the Apollo rockets. Thanks for helping me uncover this family mystery!

    I think I'll get this mandolin restored and display it in a china type cabinet...then buy myself a starter mandolin to learn on

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    You can learn on this one for sure. It is a quality instrument. It would be a real shame to have it locked up in a cabinet. Musical instruments were meant to be played. You would make grandpa proud. BTW it would be cool it you like, to post some pics here of him playing that mandolin.
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    Nice looking Ceccherini for UK buyers only. Price is still reasonable.
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    Little Show of my German bolwbacks! Enjoy...


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    That's a very clever idea for the headstock on the one with the ebonized back. That's some beautiful work on all three of these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roady43 View Post
    Little Show of my German bolwbacks! Enjoy...
    Roady those are really sweet, nice work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roady43 View Post
    Little Show of my German bolwbacks! Enjoy...
    Wow. Very cool. The one in the center is suitable for framing. Lovely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roady43 View Post
    Little Show of my German bowlbacks! Enjoy...
    Pardon me if you gave us this info already, but who are the maker(s)?
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    I had put pics up on my own blog but as a reference am including pics of my recently acquired Calace 58-A (now model 13?)

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    I've just fitted a new nut which has resolved some of the set-up problems originally bodge-fixed by a zero-fret someone had fitted, the gap from that has been successfully filled by an ebony insert. The bridge in the pic has now had the slots re-filled and will be re-slotted next weekend when I'm home. Even just the new nut means the 'a' strings stay in tune properly. As it's a G only compensated bridge I'm using Thomastick medium strings with the wound 'a'.
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    Oooo nice! What year was that one made out of interest?

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    Aye well there's the rub. I reckon it's probably 1977 or re-worked in recent years, but it was listed as 1922 in the shop and the label could be read either way.
    It had a different bridge originally as this one (a proper Calace one from what I can see) has a different footprint and the top has the little marks from registration nipples on either side of the old bridge.
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    Eoin: I suppose if the current bridge works with the strings you like then it is fine. I see that the current Calace model thirteen has a compensated bridge. I would assume that they use Dogal Calace roundwound strings.
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