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    Anyone know how to pronounce this? Is there an English translation or another name for this Welsh tune?

    Diolch yn fawr ...

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    Default Re: Mae Mwh'n D'wedyd

    I have to say that the construction looks a bit odd, but it may be old or colloquial welsh. The nearest approach to an anglicised pronunciation I can come up with is "My moon dwedid".

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    Thank you, Richard. I gather from the internet that it's usually paired with "Fairwell, Ned Pugh" but there doesn't seem to be reference to it by itself. If you're connected to "Spotify," here's the link:

    https://play.spotify.com/album/6VpHSuUSVKvRcN3z7W7YUS

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    "smith" I think
    A talent for trivializin' the momentous and complicatin' the obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffD View Post
    "smith" I think
    As it's a Welsh tune, I'd say "Jones" ...

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    Default Re: Mae Mwh'n D'wedyd

    As I suspected, there is an error in he title. The correct version is:

    Mae Nhw'n D'wedyd (a contracted form of Mae Nhw yn Dywedyd).

    The pronunciation is a bit difficult to explain with referenece to English. Nh is a consonant in its own right, something like pronouncing an N whilst simultaneously blowing out through your nose. But in the context of the whole phrase, an approximation would be:

    MINE HOON DWE-did

    It means something like, "They say..." (Modern Welsh: Maen nhw'n dweud)
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    Thank you, Whistler. I copied the title as it was written on the "Folk Melodies of the British Isles" album. A North/South, colloquial spelling divide perhaps? ... Thanks again!

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    This might help, assuming you have some time to deal with this. The Welsh Alphabet.

    Back around the 12th century most of the vowels from Wales were stolen by Hawaiian warriors. That is why the Welsh have a dearth of vowels and the Hawaiians have way too many.
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    Thanks, Jim ... tutto spiegato, allora.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Garber View Post
    "... the Welsh have a dearth of vowels ..."
    On the contrary, Welsh has more vowels than many other languages. In addition to A, E, I, O and U, W and Y are also counted as vowels. But then, it does have some extra consonants as well (CH, DD, FF, LL, NG, RH and TH are each counted as consonants in their own right).

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    Of course, I WAS joking!
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