Celluloid Binding Supplier

**Herb H** · Feb-21-2011, 11:09pm

Thanks. I just sent a small order to Bryan England too. A little disconcerting, I saw no mention of shipping charge. They do reveal the length of a strip is 52 inches, shorter than the lengths of binding I last ordered from Stew-Mac. Always something that's a little bit disconcerting.

**shawnee creek** · Feb-22-2011, 9:40am

I ordered some binding from Bryan England yesterday and asked about a hazmat charge and was told that there is none. I have been ordering pearl work for about a year. They are very good and prompt. Mike

**Jim Hilburn** · Feb-22-2011, 12:05pm

I don't like paying the Hazmat charge either, but they're running a risk shipping without it.
I did get binding form both Martin and Allparts with no extra charge but it's been a few years.

**Herb H** · Feb-24-2011, 2:00pm

I received my small order from Axiom yesterday. The dimensions were acceptably uniform and close to the specification. Strips are 54 and 1/2 inches for the black and the white, and I think 68 for the dark tortoise. This is a fine material, hard and lustrous as I'd describe it. For that reason it's clear why users don't want to just accept ABS as a substitute.

I think small quantities can legally be shipped as "not hazardous" by the small quantity exception, but one has to know how to do that, what hoops to jump through. My guess is that the "hazmat surcharge" is mainly to cover the costs of required training (for "hazmat" employees) and for keeping up with the rules, which change much more often than they need to.

**Dobe** · Jun-12-2012, 5:22pm

Originally Posted by Jim Hilburn

I did get binding form both Martin and Allparts with no extra charge but it's been a few years.

Hi Jim (and everyone else out there) , I find myself in need for the first time in a while. When I searched 'Martin binding supplies' I stumbled across these guys:

http://www.pilgrimsprojects.biz/bind.html Looks like I'll have to laminate myself. I think what I'm looking for is WBW 060-020-020

Isn't that kinda the standard Martin uses ? It's for a Martin bass project I took on for a buddy. Tops already bound, I was all ready to glue up the back when I noticed all I had was Ivriod & the bass has white/b/w. (stop !) This stuff from Allparts looks close :

http://www.allparts.com/White-Black-...t-1436-035.htm

Where LMI says plastic, would that be vinyl ? Closest I could find was :

Plastic Binding PWBWS binding, WBW, .075”(.045/.020/.010) x 1/4” x 49”, ABS
limited quantity available

Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Thanks !

Dobro Dave

**Dale Ludewig** · Jun-12-2012, 6:32pm

Bill James.
AxInc.net
(tailpieces also)

**John Arnold** · Jun-12-2012, 9:36pm

Dave,
Since it is a Martin project, I would just buy it from Martin. Call their toll-free number and ask for the Guitarmaker's Connection. They have everything you need....much more than that listed on their website.
Martin white plastic binding is Boltaron (PVC), not ABS.

**Frank Ford** · Jun-13-2012, 2:45am

Some clarification -

Delmar is a distributor, not a manufacturer of celluloid, and there have been no celluloid manufacturers in the US for a generation or longer. Delmar did import the stuff from the only European (Italy) manufacturer, which I've been told is no longer active. Now I suppose all the stuff comes from Asia.

StewMac has not sold celluloid for quite a while now. It's not the flammability issue, but the HAZMAT shipping rules that have come into effect, requiring an additional fee for each shipment. As far as I know, all celluloid is subject to that rule, but for some reason, I don't hear about it being applied to celluloid picks. Axiom sells celluloid, as do a few others, including LMI.

Flammability is a big deal in manufacturing, but not in shipment or distribution.

Martin uses ABS plastic binding (Boltaron) as standard, but the grained vintage style stuff is ivoroid, (celluloid).

**Dobe** · Jun-13-2012, 9:09am

Thanks guys, think I'll try Martin.

Keep on pickin' (and gluein')!

**Frank Ford** · Jun-13-2012, 9:22am

Whoops - it was late last night when I posted that last bit - I had only read the first page and hadn't noticed the dates or the subsequent pages. . .

**HoGo** · Jun-13-2012, 4:16pm

OK, now that the topic is back... does anyone know who is the producer or genuine Celluloid nitrate?
I tried to obtain CN binding from US suppliers, but what I got is different plastic (doesn't react to acetone at all, perhaps acetate), And buying from axinc would be way too expensive (I'm in Europe). If the stuff is really produced in china I'd easier buy directly full sheets if possible.