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    Hi Folks,
    In the interest of potentially upgrading one day, my teacher has asked me to inquire... His mandolin is in great condition, with a highly figured back and sides - X bracing as well. I play this one a lot and it is a great axe.
    Any ballpark estimates? Thanks in advance....
    - Jonathan in Chicago

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    Depending on condition I'd say a minimum of $3,500 and a maximum of $5,000. I paid $4,500 for my '87 Flatiron Artist in mint condition.

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    And to give some persepctive, I bought a Flatiron F-5 Artist new in 1985 for $1,995.

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    AlanN,
    I think that's about what Gus paid for it back then as well.
    I'll post pics after the lesson this Sunday.
    - Jonathan in Chicago

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    Mine was 85100106, signed by Steve Carlson. Good mandolin, a bit heavy and thick, but strong tone.

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    There was a Weber signed Flatiron F5 Artist that sold here on the cafe recently for $2,800. That was a good deal.

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    Steve,I believe,IMHO,that,in the not too distant future,that they will be worth much more than you paid.You could sell some of the old flattys for the sound alone,If the right person hears it.

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    [in the not too distant future,that they will be worth much more than you paid.You could sell some of the old flattys for the sound alone,If the right person hears it. ]

    John, I think you are right, which is why, when I thought about selling mine, I soon changed my mind. Chad Fadely almost bought it, but we could quite come to terms, and this was when he had his Gil before the drop.

    Most Flatirons of similar vintage (mine is #78) tend to have faded or mottled sunbursts, but mine is quite strong with no signs of fading.

    As to Alan N's comments about his flatiron being heavy and thick, mine is comparible to my Hilburn and Wiens in terms of weight and plate thickness.

    IMHO early flatiron Fs should command prices equivelent to Givens Fs, but in today's wacky market, they don't, at least not yet anyway.

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    A couple of years ago I sold my '84 Carlson Flatiron F5 for $3800. You'll see them advertised for as high as $4300, on Ebay, and in instrument shops.

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    Intermountain Guitar and Banjo have an '89 Artist F on their website for $4900. They call it the "Best-sounding one"

    I'll have to ask the boys about that.....

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    My near-mint 87 Carlson (#181) is a tremendous mandolin. Beautiful top and powerful sound with great tone. The market for these mandolins may be under 5K, but mine is not going anywhere anytime soon. It does not seem heavy or thick to me. I would recommend anyone who has one of these pre-Gibson Flatirons should strongly consider keeping it.
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    Thanks to everybody for their very informative responses!

    Tune in tomorrow afternoon for some pics!
    - Jonathan in Chicago

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    ...and for some more perspective, I bought a Bruce Weber signed F5 in 1995 for $2,900 from Mandolin Brothers. #This was one of the last ones out of Montana.

    I'm curious as to how others view the difference between the Carlson and Weber Flatirons. #I have played some killer Carlson Flatirons and I understand there may be a bit of a premium for these.



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    The first "real" bluegrass-style mandolin that I bought (18 years prior I had stumbled on a Gibson A3) was a 1984 Carlson-signed Flatiron A5-1. I bought it from Gruhn two years ago for just under $1,200.00 and have subsequently invested another $200.00 on a new nut and a radius fretboard. It is just a great mandolin and came with a real nice Loar-style case. I have begun to notice that the market for this mandolin may be getting close to $2,000.00, but who knows/cares - I ain't selling it. I would only imagine with a nice strap hanger, you would really have something!

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    Okay, let's try to post some pics... we'll start with the front.
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    okay, that seems to work. here's the back...
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    Close up on back..
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    Neck and side view...
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    Close up on scroll...
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    ...and the last view.
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    So thanks for looking! Hopefully the pics will help give you an idea on what the mando is like. Except for the finish wearing off a little right underneath the E strings, she is in very good shape and sounds awesome.
    - Jonathan in Chicago

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    beautiful!
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    Isn't that a gorgeous mandolin? Every time I see a pre-Gibson Flatiron for sale, I salivate. The only one I have played is an '84 A5-2, which had an impressive voice and colored similar to these pictures. I own two later models, a '92 F5 Artist (Weber) and a '93 A5 Artist (Carlson) that are outstanding instruments in every regard. The only Givens (A) I have played was a '70s model, and it had nothing on the Flatirons I have played. The rising prices, I feel, are justifiable considering they were built under the ownership and direction of Gibson. Should the Flatiron mandolins not be of equal quality, therefore of equal value? I welcome your comments, gentlemen.

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    Jonathan,As Marlon Brando said,"A man who dosen't spend time with his mando,can never really be a man".What a beauty,I'm sure you will spend lots of time with that.Oh,I'm not sure that what Brando said was true,Just wanted to get a little laugh.

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    Looks just like my '87. Someone is going to get a great mandolin when they buy this beauty!
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