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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Originally Posted by
Fretbear
Is the saddle of the CA in that interchangeable group as well?
Yessir, it is! Sorry for the confusion.:redface:
A bit off-topic, but for those who are wondering why a "Loar copy" bridge is so easy to spot, I may add: Most of the details are usually pretty close to the originals of the '20s. And Roger Siminoff even saw the original fixtures, while working for Gibson in the late '70s. However, the old Gibson bridge tops generally never show set-offs with rounded edges, as opposed to the copies. The "waist cuts" ("cove cuts"?) on the bases are all a bit off, too, as if the currently available router bits differ from the ones Gibson used in the '20s. The old threaded studs were from nickel silver, as opposed to today's black steel versions. But the threads on all of the available copies are still like the old ones. (The '90s Gibson threads were metric, though.)
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Originally Posted by
Andrew B. Carlson
To the OP: Have you thought of Darryl Wolfe's bridges in your consideration? He uses high quality gaboon ebony and they're also Loar repros. I'm considering all of the above as well, but since Darryl has the same mando I do, he knows how the sound changes. What do you play on? Maybe one of us has done this mod before.
Hi Andrew
I'm putting it on a The Loar LM-600 F-Model Mandolin
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It's possible that it does not have the standard bridge from the (Eastman) factory. How would I know if it's already been changed? Are these aftermarket bridges stamped or labeled in some way?
The Eastman bridge does have a unique look to it. If the bride has not been refitted, it will have a number in pencil on the bottom of the foot. Pictured we have a few eastman bridges with a CA bridge on the top, an Eastman bridge foot and an Eastman and CA bridge together. The CA bridge is a blank and may look different after being fit.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Folkmusician.com
The Eastman bridge does have a unique look to it. If the bride has not been refitted, it will have a number in pencil on the bottom of the foot. Pictured we have a few eastman bridges with a CA bridge on the top, an Eastman bridge foot and an Eastman and CA bridge together. The CA bridge is a blank and may look different after being fit.
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Thanks again.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
FYI: FWIW, Gabon as in ebony is frequently and widely spelled Gaboon but this is incorrect. The Gaboon spelling stems from the French pronunciation of Gabon the country which in fact would be more like Gabown.
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Thanks
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Blackheathen
FYI: FWIW, Gabon as in ebony is frequently and widely spelled Gaboon but this is incorrect. The Gaboon spelling stems from the French pronunciation of Gabon the country which in fact would be more like Gabown.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
:grin: On payday I'm ordering a Cumberland Bridge and the next payday I'm having my Mandolin setup and my new bridge installed
I can hardly wait :grin:
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
I took my mandolin to Claremont Music Store http://folkmusiccenter.com/hours-location/
and the tech told me my bridge was good and the only thing wrong with my mando was it needed a fret dressing and neck adjustment $50-$70
So I left it with him, I'll let you know how it turns out
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Originally Posted by
Mandolin-Tele
I took my mandolin to Claremont Music Store
http://folkmusiccenter.com/hours-location/
and the tech told me my bridge was good and the only thing wrong with my mando was it needed a fret dressing and neck adjustment $50-$70
What, no new CA bridge after all?
Frank
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the tech told me my bridge was good
It may be good, but the CA bridge will be better. :)
Does the tech have experience with bridge upgrades on mandolins?
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Hi thanks
I deceided to have him do the neck and fret dressing now and do the new Cumberland bridge a little later when I have more money
The tech really knows his stuff on fret dressings, but I'll ask more Q&A later on the bridge
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Originally Posted by
Folkmusician.com
It may be good, but the CA bridge will be better. :)
Does the tech have experience with bridge upgrades on mandolins?
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
Geesh! What a let-down! Two pages of real interesting "bridge-banter" and they guy tells you that your stock Chinese bridge is fine! Not so! I put two of our CA bridges on "The Loar" mandolins yesterday, an LM-400 and an LM-700. Very dramatic improvement in tone, volume, and intonation accuracy. They sound so good that I'm in no hurry to send them back to their customers! I'm in the middle of putting a new bridge (along with a James Tailpiece and Grover tuners) on an LM-600-BK today. I'm fairly certain all of these factors will improve on this mandolin too. (Plus, that black paint job is pretty cool too!).
Not to fault your repair guy (I checked out their website, and they seem like sharp guys there) but there is absolutely no comparison between one of our bridges (or Roger's, for that matter) and the stock bridge that comes on "The Loar" mandolins. It really is their weak link. Most people with any level of knowledge about these particular mandolins should know this, I would think.
So, tell you what, I'm ready to help educate these guys. What if I send you one of our Cumberland Acoustic bridges, at no cost to you, and you go have these guys install it on your mandolin? My only requirement would be that they play the instrument themselves (or have someone there play it if they don't play mandolin) both before and after the bridge is replaced. I would also ask that they test the intonation, both before and after the CA bridge is installed. If they are paying attention, I am hoping that I will have a new customer in their repair department. If not, I am confident that you will come back and give an honest (and hopefully glowing) review of how our bridge influenced the performance of your mandolin.
I'm serious about this offer, by the way. If nothing else, it will impart a far more dramatic end to this thread! If you want to take me up on it, you can call me at 877-857-4896, or e-mail me at cumbacoustic@aol.com.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
What about BRW? Looks like a mighty fine bridge. Comparable?
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Originally Posted by
Steevarino
Geesh! What a let-down! Two pages of real interesting "bridge-banter" and they guy tells you that your stock Chinese bridge is fine! Not so! I put two of our CA bridges on "The Loar" mandolins yesterday, an LM-400 and an LM-700. Very dramatic improvement in tone, volume, and intonation accuracy. They sound so good that I'm in no hurry to send them back to their customers! I'm in the middle of putting a new bridge (along with a James Tailpiece and Grover tuners) on an LM-600-BK today. I'm fairly certain all of these factors will improve on this mandolin too. (Plus, that black paint job is pretty cool too!).
Not to fault your repair guy (I checked out their website, and they seem like sharp guys there) but there is absolutely no comparison between one of our bridges (or Roger's, for that matter) and the stock bridge that comes on "The Loar" mandolins. It really is their weak link. Most people with any level of knowledge about these particular mandolins should know this, I would think.
So, tell you what, I'm ready to help educate these guys. What if I send you one of our Cumberland Acoustic bridges, at no cost to you, and you go have these guys install it on your mandolin? My only requirement would be that they play the instrument themselves (or have someone there play it if they don't play mandolin) both before and after the bridge is replaced. I would also ask that they test the intonation, both before and after the CA bridge is installed. If they are paying attention, I am hoping that I will have a new customer in their repair department. If not, I am confident that you will come back and give an honest (and hopefully glowing) review of how our bridge influenced the performance of your mandolin.
I'm serious about this offer, by the way. If nothing else, it will impart a far more dramatic end to this thread! If you want to take me up on it, you can call me at 877-857-4896, or e-mail me at
cumbacoustic@aol.com.
Am I correct that since those The Loar mandos came on the market you must be doing a booming business in making them playable? Is it permissible for you to tell us what builders use your bridges as standard equipment.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Originally Posted by
Steevarino
Geesh! What a let-down! Two pages of real interesting "bridge-banter" and they guy tells you that your stock Chinese bridge is fine! Not so! I put two of our CA bridges on "The Loar" mandolins yesterday, an LM-400 and an LM-700. Very dramatic improvement in tone, volume, and intonation accuracy. They sound so good that I'm in no hurry to send them back to their customers! I'm in the middle of putting a new bridge (along with a James Tailpiece and Grover tuners) on an LM-600-BK today. I'm fairly certain all of these factors will improve on this mandolin too. (Plus, that black paint job is pretty cool too!).
Not to fault your repair guy (I checked out their website, and they seem like sharp guys there) but there is absolutely no comparison between one of our bridges (or Roger's, for that matter) and the stock bridge that comes on "The Loar" mandolins. It really is their weak link. Most people with any level of knowledge about these particular mandolins should know this, I would think.
So, tell you what, I'm ready to help educate these guys. What if I send you one of our Cumberland Acoustic bridges, at no cost to you, and you go have these guys install it on your mandolin? My only requirement would be that they play the instrument themselves (or have someone there play it if they don't play mandolin) both before and after the bridge is replaced. I would also ask that they test the intonation, both before and after the CA bridge is installed. If they are paying attention, I am hoping that I will have a new customer in their repair department. If not, I am confident that you will come back and give an honest (and hopefully glowing) review of how our bridge influenced the performance of your mandolin.
I'm serious about this offer, by the way. If nothing else, it will impart a far more dramatic end to this thread! If you want to take me up on it, you can call me at 877-857-4896, or e-mail me at
cumbacoustic@aol.com.
A knock out blow, wow....well some of us need educating once in awhile. Good deal Steve.
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Steve I was going to put one of your bridge's on my next payday I just ran out of money
I will take you up on your offer and do this, Thanks Dale Hamon :grin:
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Originally Posted by
Steevarino
Geesh! What a let-down! Two pages of real interesting "bridge-banter" and they guy tells you that your stock Chinese bridge is fine! Not so! I put two of our CA bridges on "The Loar" mandolins yesterday, an LM-400 and an LM-700. Very dramatic improvement in tone, volume, and intonation accuracy. They sound so good that I'm in no hurry to send them back to their customers! I'm in the middle of putting a new bridge (along with a James Tailpiece and Grover tuners) on an LM-600-BK today. I'm fairly certain all of these factors will improve on this mandolin too. (Plus, that black paint job is pretty cool too!).
Not to fault your repair guy (I checked out their website, and they seem like sharp guys there) but there is absolutely no comparison between one of our bridges (or Roger's, for that matter) and the stock bridge that comes on "The Loar" mandolins. It really is their weak link. Most people with any level of knowledge about these particular mandolins should know this, I would think.
So, tell you what, I'm ready to help educate these guys. What if I send you one of our Cumberland Acoustic bridges, at no cost to you, and you go have these guys install it on your mandolin? My only requirement would be that they play the instrument themselves (or have someone there play it if they don't play mandolin) both before and after the bridge is replaced. I would also ask that they test the intonation, both before and after the CA bridge is installed. If they are paying attention, I am hoping that I will have a new customer in their repair department. If not, I am confident that you will come back and give an honest (and hopefully glowing) review of how our bridge influenced the performance of your mandolin.
I'm serious about this offer, by the way. If nothing else, it will impart a far more dramatic end to this thread! If you want to take me up on it, you can call me at 877-857-4896, or e-mail me at
cumbacoustic@aol.com.
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I had a CA bridge installed on my J Bovier f5 dorado. I feel it made a difference in the tone. Thanks Steve for a great bridge.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
Here's whats going on....I got my Mandolin back today and they truely did a nice job setting it up and dressing the frets...but after talking with Steve owner of Cumberland Acoustic http://www.cumberlandacoustic.com/id2.html we deceided that I would send him my mandolin and he would install and fit one of his "Cumberland Bridges" for my "The Loar LM-600-VS Mandolin" he gave me his bridge for free but I'm paying him for fitting his bridge and a complete setup to his standards and when I get my Mandolin back I'll give a complete review of his work and sound of my mandolin of before and after the Cumberland bridge install.....
Thanks Steve for the far more dramatic end to this thread!
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I'm sending my mandolin to Steve at Cumberland in a few days, right now my "The Loar LM-600-VS lives on my Tone Rite and it sounds fantastic sorry for the delay but my wife gets payed on monday and she said I can get it done then :) I CAN"T WAIT
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
Hi Mike, From what I've read Gibson is using "Cumberland Acoustic Bridges" on their Mandolins
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Originally Posted by
Mike Bunting
Am I correct that since those The Loar mandos came on the market you must be doing a booming business in making them playable? Is it permissible for you to tell us what builders use your bridges as standard equipment.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Mandolin-Tele
Hi Mike, From what I've read Gibson is using "Cumberland Acoustic Bridges" on there Mandolins
there mandolins? I don't understand what you mean.
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Originally Posted by
Mike Bunting
there mandolins? I don't understand what you mean.
I could be wrong but I think Gibson is using Cumberland Acoustics Bridges on Gibson Mandolins
I'm sorry I used "there" instead of "their mandolins"
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
You say tomato I say tomatoe, either way I know what you mean.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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shortymack
You say tomato I say tomatoe, either way I know what you mean.
But "there" and "their" have different meanings. If I am trying to communicate an idea , it is my responsibility to say it clearly, it it is not on you to decipher what I am saying. They're now playing their mandolins that were over there in their cases.
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Re: Cumberland Mandolin Bridge Verses Siminoff Mandolin Bridge
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Originally Posted by
Mandolin-Tele
Gibson is using "Cumberland Acoustic Bridges" on their Mandolins
I've heard that too........I think Lynn Dudenbostel uses them as well.
There is a nice article on Steve w/ numerous photos in the latest issue of the Fretboard Journal.