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Gerry Cassidy
May-24-2010, 6:45pm
Mod's: This is long and if it has been posted before please feel free to delete. I found it to be pretty funny. Please don't anyone be offended. It's all in fun.

The Difference between Bluegrass, Old Time and Celtic bands, now finally
explained!

The Music

Old Time and Celtic songs are about whiskey, food and struggle. Bluegrass
songs are about God, mother and the girl who did me wrong. If the girl isn't
dead by the third verse, it ain't Bluegrass. If everyone dies, it's Celtic.

Old Time and Celtic bands have nonsense names like "Flogging Molly', "Fruit
Jar Drinkers' and "Skillet Lickers" while Bluegrass bands have serious
gender-specific name like "Bluegrass Boys,' "Clinch Mountain Boys' and
"Backwoods Babes."

The most common Old Time keys are major and minor with only 5 notes (modal).
Bluegrass uses these, plus Mixolydian and Dorian modes, and a Celtic band
adds Lydian and Phrygian modes.

A Bluegrass band has between 1 and 3 singers who are all singing about an
octave above their natural vocal range. Some Old Time and Celtic bands have
no singers at all. If a Celtic band has a singer, it is usually either a
bewhiskered ex-sailor, or a petite soprano. A Bluegrass band has a vocal
arranger who arranges three-part harmonies. In an Old Time band, anyone who
feels like it can sing or make comments during the performance. In a Celtic
band, anyone who speaks during a performance gets "the look', and songs are
preceded by a call for silence and a detailed explanation of their cultural
significance. Bluegrass tunes & songs last 3 minutes. Old Time and Celtic
tunes & songs can be any length, and sometimes last all night.

The Instruments

Banjo

A Celtic banjo is small and quiet. An Old Time banjo is open-backed, with an
old towel (probably never washed) stuffed in the back to dampen sound. A
Bluegrass banjo has bell bronze mastertone tone ring and a resonator to make
it louder.

A Celtic banjo weighs 4 pounds, an Old Time banjo weighs 5 pounds, towel
included and a Bluegrass banjo weighs 40 pounds. A Celtic banjo has only 4
strings. A Bluegrass banjo has five strings and needs 24 frets. An Old Time
banjo needs no more than 5 frets, and some don't need any.

A Bluegrass banjo player has had spinal fusion surgery on all his vertebrae,
and therefore stands very straight. If an Old Time banjo player stands, he
slouches. A Celtic banjo player has a brace to relieve his carpal tunnel
syndrome and remains seated to maintain stability while cross-picking as fast
as possible after several pints. An Old Time banjo player can lose 3
right-hand fingers and 2 left-hand fingers in an industrial accident without
affecting his performance.

A Celtic banjo player flat picks everything. A Bluegrass banjo player puts
jewelry on his fingertips to play. An Old Time banjo player puts super glue
on his fingernails to strengthen them. Never shake hands with an Old Time
banjo player while he's fussing with his nails.

Fiddle

The Bluegrass fiddler paid $10,000 for his fiddle at the Violin Shop in
Nashville. The Celtic fiddler inherited his fiddle from his mothers 2nd
cousin in County Clare. The Old Time fiddler got theirs for $15 at a yard
sale.

Celtic and Bluegrass fiddles are tuned GDAE. An Old Time fiddle can be in a
hundred different tunings. Old Time fiddlers seldom use more than two fingers
of their left hand, and use tunings that maximize the number of open strings
played. Celtic and Bluegrass fiddlers study 7th position fingering patterns
with Isaac Stern, and take pride in never playing an open string. An Old Time
fiddle player can make dogs howl & incapacitate people suffering from sciatic
nerve damage. An Old Time fiddle player only uses 1/8 of his bow. The rest is
just there for show.

Guitar

An Old Time guitarist knows the major chords in G and C, and owns a capo for
A and D. A Bluegrass guitarist can play in E-flat without a capo. The
fanciest chord an Old Time guitarist needs is an A to insert between the G
and the D7 chord. A Bluegrass or Celtic guitarist needs to know C#aug+7-4. A
Celtic guitarist keeps his picks in his pocket. Old Time guitarists stash
extra picks under a rubber band around the top of the peg head. Bluegrass
guitarists would never cover any part of the peg head that might obscure the
gilded label of their $3,000 guitar.

Mandolin

It's possible to have an Old Time or Celtic band without a mandolin. However,
it is impossible to have a true Bluegrass band without one. Mandolin players
spend half their time tuning their mandolin and the other half of their time
playing their mandolin out of tune. Old Time and Celtic mandolin players use
"A' model instruments (pear-shaped) by obscure makers. Bluegrass mandolin
players use "F' model Gibsons that cost $100 per decibel.

Bass

A Celtic band never has a bass, while a Bluegrass band always has a bass. An
old, Old Time band doesn't have a bass, but new time Old Time bands seem to
need one for reasons that are unclear. A Bluegrass bass starts playing with
the band on the first note. An Old Time bass, if present, starts sometime
after the rest of the band has run through the tune once depending on the
player's blood alcohol content. A Bluegrass bass is polished and shiny. An
Old Time bass is often used as yard furniture.

Other Instruments

It is not possible to have a Celtic band without a tin whistle or Bodhran
(hand drum) if not several, usually too many of each. Old Time and Bluegrass
bands never have either. A Bluegrass band might have a Dobro. An Old Time
band might have anything that makes noise including: a tambourine, jaw harp,
didgeridoo, harmonica, conga, wash tub bass, miscellaneous rattles &shakers,
a 1-gallon jug (empty), or a lap (mountain) dulcimer or a hammered dulcimer.
In a Celtic band, it's the musicians that are hammered.

Instrumentation

Except for the guitar, all the instruments in a Celtic band play the melody
all the time. In an Old Time band, anyone can play either melody or
accompaniment at any time. In Bluegrass bands, one instrument at a time
solos, and every else plays accompaniment.

Bluegrass bands have carefully mapped-out choreography due to the need for
solo breaks. If Old Time and Celtic band members move around, they tend to
run into each other. Because of this problem (and whiskey) Old Time and
Celtic often sit down when performing, while a Bluegrass band always stands.
Because they're sitting, Old Time and Celtic bands have the stamina to play
the same tune for 20 minutes for a square or contra dance. The audience claps
after each Bluegrass solo break. If anyone talks or claps near an Old Time or
Celtic band, it confuses them, even after the tune is over.

Personalities and Stage Presence

Bluegrass band members wear uniforms, such as blue polyester suits with gray
Stetson hats. Old Time bands wear jeans, sandals, work shirts and caps from
seed companies. Celtic bands wear tour tee-shirts with plaid touring caps.
All this head wear covers bald spots.

Women in Bluegrass bands have big hair and Kevlar undergarments. Women in Old
Time bands jiggle nicely under their overalls. There are no Women in Celtic
bands, only Lassies with long skirts and lacy, high collars and Wenches in
apple- dumplings-on-a-shelf bodices and leather mini-skirts.

A Bluegrass band tells terrible jokes while tuning. An Old Time band tells
terrible jokes without bothering to tune. Bluegrass band members never smile.
Old Time band members will smile if you give them a drink. A Celtic band is
too busy drinking to smile, tune or tell jokes.

Celtic musicians eat fish and chips, Bluegrass musicians eat barbecue ribs,
and Old Time musicians eat tofu and miso soup.

Bluegrass musicians have mild high frequency hearing loss from standing near
the banjo player. Old Time musicians have moderate high frequency hearing
loss from sitting near the fiddler. Celtic musicians have advanced hearing
loss from playing in small pubs with all those fiddles, banjos, tin whistles
and bodhrans.

Festivals and Transportation

A Celtic band travels in an actual Greyhound bus with marginal air
conditioning and then catches a ride from the bus stop to the festival any
way they can. A Bluegrass band travels in an old converted Greyhound bus that
idles in the parking lot all weekend with the air conditioner running full
blast, fumigating the county with diesel exhaust. An Old Time band travels in
a rusted-out 1965 VW microbus that blows an engine in North Nowhere,
Nebraska. They don't have an Easy-Up, and it's pretty evident that their
vehicles don't have air conditioning. Bluegrass players stay on the bus and
Celtic musicians stay at the nearest Motel 6, while Old Time musicians camp
in the parking lot.

The Celtic Band has their name on their instrument cases and a banner for
their Easy- Up. The bluegrass band's name and Inspirational Statement are
painted on both the side and front of the bus in script lettering.

Bluegrass bumper stickers are in red, white and blue and have stars and/or
stripes on them. Celtic bumper stickers display fancy knotwork borders,
banners, and slogans from the old country. Old Time bumper stickers don't
make any sense (e.g. "Gid is My Co-Pilot' )

whistler
May-27-2010, 10:44am
I've come across very few Celtic (read 'Irish') fiddlers who play in 7th (or even 2nd) position.:confused:

Eddie Sheehy
May-27-2010, 11:03am
Hilarious, Gerry. Thanks for cheering me up.

mculliton123
May-27-2010, 12:09pm
Well done, Gerry!!

John McGann
May-27-2010, 6:48pm
An Old Time fiddle can be in a
hundred different tunings.

Often at the same time!

Gerry Cassidy
May-27-2010, 6:51pm
I'm glad you got a kick out of it fellas. I sure did when I first read it.

I wish I could take credit for it. It was sent to me in an email from an old session friend.

steve V. johnson
May-28-2010, 11:58pm
I got this a while back from Tom Draughon, a fine musician from upper Minnesota, who plays all these musics really well.

Great, ain't it?

The last time I said "mixolydian" to a bluegrass player, she hit me. Really hard. Broke my nose.

Thanks, Gerry!

stv

Randi Gormley
Jun-05-2010, 7:44pm
I'd add pipes to the odd instruments that show up in celtic sessions, but other than that, i'm thinking of framing this. i laughed so hard, my husband-the-guitar-player came and read it over my shoulder and he laughed so hard he immediately wanted to forward this to the (few) people we know who appreciate all three kinds of music. many thanks!

Andrew DeMarco
Jun-05-2010, 8:12pm
:)):))High-larious!

Needs more cowbell... and also needs more mando;)

Jim Nollman
Jun-06-2010, 4:06pm
Bluegrass bands usually have at least two members related, almost always brothers. Celtic bands are unrelated, but stay together and tour together for years, which only ends when they all hate each other. Old time bands only ever perform with at least one extra instrumentalist onstage who doesn't actually know the tunes.

Dale Ludewig
Jun-06-2010, 4:48pm
That was hysterical. Thanks.

journeybear
Jun-06-2010, 6:28pm
Mandolin players spend half their time tuning their mandolin and the other half of their time playing their mandolin out of tune.

The way I heard this is "Mandolin players spend half their time tuning their mandolin and the other half of their time playing it thinking it's out of tune." (From Nina Gerber, Kate Wolf's longtime accompanist, the only time I saw her (them) - told while tuning, of course. ;) ) I like how that captures the paranoia we often feel about this matter. ;)

Tavy
Jun-07-2010, 2:58am
The way I heard this is "Mandolin players spend half their time tuning their mandolin and the other half of their time playing it thinking it's out of tune." (From Nina Gerber, Kate Wolf's longtime accompanist, the only time I saw her (them) - told while tuning, of course. ;) ) I like how that captures the paranoia we often feel about this matter. ;)

Or at least frantically trying to decide whether it's in tune or not? Or else maybe the bridge has moved? Oh no, maybe I'm squeazing the strings too hard? Or maybe my FFCP is starting on the wrong fret?

Do you know, I used to be indecisive about these things, but now I'm not so sure....

John.

journeybear
Jun-07-2010, 11:17am
Didn't I mention paranoia? I thought for sure I did. Maybe I didn't. Oh, I could have sworn I did ... :disbelief:

Tavy
Jun-08-2010, 2:52am
Didn't I mention paranoia? I thought for sure I did. Maybe I didn't. Oh, I could have sworn I did ... :disbelief:

Just so you know: those banjo players really are out to get you :)

ISU Trout Bum
Jun-08-2010, 12:51pm
Hahaha! This is fantastic. I think I'll print it out and take it to our local ITM session tonight. Thanks for the post!

swampstomper
Jun-08-2010, 2:10pm
Gid (Tanner) certainly is a good choice for co-pilot... what doesn't make sense there?

As for the rest... well...