One Celtic (Irish) Tune....

[Sandy Beckler]

I am sure this question has been posed before, I just couldn't find the answer in a search.

In your personal opinion....(yeah...I know, everyone's got one)

All kidding aside,
What would be the "one" single Celtic (Irish) tune that you would consider a must know, one tune that you would consider the epitome of your Celtic (Irish) repertoire.
Mine, I would consider Saint Anne's Reel

Sandy:mandosmiley:

[Jill McAuley]

Impossible to say, at least for me - there are thousands of great tunes out there and I'm constantly learning a new tune/set of tunes that then becomes my absolute FAVOURITE...until I learn the next new one! Also what would the criteria for "must know" be? Is it because the tune is a staple in your local session? Is it because it's challenging to play? Is it just because you plain love the tune? Lately I've been loving the Tarbolton set -"The Tarbolton/The Longford Collector/The Sailor's Bonnet", before that it was a set of two reels, "Raymond Rowland's/Imelda Rowland's", before that it was "The Drunken Landlady/The Shaskeen"etc, etc etc. I guess the novel factor about a new tune always makes it go to the top of the pile for me, but that said, I still love/enjoy playing it's predecessors!

Cheers,
Jill

[John Kelly]

Now that is an interesting thought, Sandy. There are so many and the ideas Jill airs here are absolutely relevant - choice by difficulty, novelty of a new tune, favourite sets, etc. I think it also depends on your mood at the time and even the folks you are playing along with in the session and the instrumentation being used.

I would include Kildare Fancy, The Blackthorn Stick, Top of the Old Cork Road (Father O'Flynn) and others of the jig and reel varieties, but I also really love the slow tunes such as Boolavogue, Carrickfergus, Sean O'Dwyer. Perhaps the epitome of Irishness is Danny Boy (The Londonderry Air).
Then again, I am Scot, so I can call on another whole set of tunes, many of which share their origins with the Irish tunes and have also migrated successfully to the other side of the Atlantic. I remember gigging just outside Larne in County Antrim last summer and playing along with some local Irish musicians, one of whom introduced Gary Owen by saying in his characteristic Ulster manner that here was a tune claimed by us Scots, really belonging to the Irish, and then hijacked by "Your man General Custer and his Seventh Cavalry!"
A good thread you've started here!

[Sandy Beckler]

I appreciate your candor....John and Jill, I was trying to identify a certain special tune that you always comeback to, if you will.
I would welcome more thoughts.

Sandy

[Rob Gerety]

Are we certain that St. Anne's reel is Irish?

[Sandy Beckler]

Are we certain that St. Anne's reel is Irish?

Have you some inside information?

[Mike Snyder]

Drowsy Maggie?

[Jill McAuley]

Again, the tunes I always come back to tend to be replaced by a new tune that I always come back to! For example, for ages the first tune I'd play whenever I picked up my mandolin/tenor banjo (or a mandolin at the local music shop) was "Sonny Brogan's Jig", then that was eventually replaced by the Sean Ryan jig "Dancing Eyes", which was later replaced by "The Humours of Carrigaholt", and that replaced by "The Sligo Maid", which has now been replaced by "The Tarbolton".

Cheers,
Jill

[Sandy Beckler]

Rob G......I was just looking at Nigel Gatherer's site and he feels it (Saint Anne's Reel) may be French-Canadian. Go figure...
Never the less....My intention would be your favourite "Celtic (Irish) tune
Exactly....Mike

Sandy

[Paul Kotapish]

The Rose and the Heather (Jig)

[abuteague]

This question is easy to answer, but if you ask me the same question in 5 minutes I'll have a different answer. It is kind of like New England weather. Don't like the weather, wait 5 minutes.

Fox Hunters (slipjig in D) http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/folk/sessions/

Oops, I think it has been 5 minutes. What about Kid on the Mountain?

If you want the one quintesential tune and you learn it, you will be cursed to find that no one else you encounter has heard of it. So you have to keep learning tunes. One doesn't do it.

[M.Marmot]

Well, i have never been a great man for tunes, but, i do like certain tunes... St Anne"s i like, and i like to play it really slow as i do adore the melody and i think it can stand a slow demeanor, though i dont think its Irish, i"d hedge towards France if i had to take bet on it, i also do like The Showmans Fancy and Haste to the Wedding... the Blackthorn Stick is also a nice tune... and Never on a Sunday/Children of Pireaus, i like, though technically its not a tune but its fun to play... oh, and, "Lament for Limerick" thats a cracker if you can do it justice.

[JeffD]

the B part to Planxty Maggie Brown. Cannot get enough of it. Makes me smile every time.

[Bertram Henze]

If you had to choose one cup full out of the Atlantic ocean, where would you take it from?

[Coffeecup]

Pick whichever one you like, they all sound the same. :grin:

:popcorn::popcorn::whistling:

[Mandocarver]

Lark in the Morning or Tuttle's Reel (at the moment...)

[Ravenwood]

Rob G......I was just looking at Nigel Gatherer's site and he feels it (Saint Anne's Reel) may be French-Canadian. Go figure...
Never the less....My intention would be your favourite "Celtic (Irish) tune
Exactly....Mike

Sandy

In the town I grew up in - St. Anne-de-Madawaska New Brunswick - there is a legend that suggests it originated there. I do recall having heard it commonly as a kid in the 1950's but I don't think there's any truth to the legend. There are a number of places in Quebec and New Brunswick where the tune is thought to have originated, but there is no evidence to support any claim. In general, I think the tune is most often considered to be of Canadian origin, but has since become popular in both Ireland and the UK.

For favourite tune I fall in with Jill on this one. My favourite always seems to be the one I most recently learned.

[Steve L]

You really can't distill this stuff down that far. The enjoyment of playing this music for me is cumulative. It's much more a process than a result. I will confess however to be really enjoying my most recent aquisitions; the hornpipes Peacock's Feather and Chief O'Neil's and the 4 part jig Humors of Ballyloughlin.

[whistler]

Ditto what everyone else says - there are too many to pick out a single tune, and if there is one, it changes from month to month, week to week, half-hour to half-hour.

But I find that the tunes I keep coming back to are often the ones that annoy the h311 out of me, because they stop me retrieving the rarer tunes from the darkest recesses of my memory.

[Aidan Crossey]

Sandy...

Sorry to come across as a curmudgeon, but I think that anyone who has more than a fleeting interest in "the music" would find it impossible to answer your question. Although tunes can (in some cases just about) be captured as "standalones" in the dots or in playing, the fact is that all of this music is intertwined and inter-related.

So, in elements of their structure, The Lark On The Strand (The Primrose Vale) is a relative of The Kesh; Munster Buttermilk (the one which sounds a bit like The Frost Is All Over (or Kitty Lie Over), i.e. not the Behind The Haystack tune) is a relative of - you guessed it - The Frost Is All Over (Kitty Lie Over). By the same token, St Anne's Reel (which you mention as your favourite) is closely related to the truly Irish tune The Skylark.

As you get deeper into the music, you also start to realise that while the tunes are important, sets are equally important. The pairing of this tune with that one... Does the set start to "lift"? Does the next tune suddenly drain the set of its energy? Was it a mistake to pair two very similar tunes (such as, for example, The Wind That Shakes The Barley/Rolling In The Ryegrass or, in keeping with the original post St Anne's/The Skylark)? Or do the subtle differences bring a big smile to the players' faces?

And then there are other levels of relatedness. I like to play a set which "An Luathradain" followed by "The Mist Covered Mountain". Makes for a lovely, quite intricate, jig set. Many people know both tunes, but they're rarely played together. For me, one of the joys of this set - above and beyond its sheer tunefulness - is the fact that both tunes were composed by (or attributed to - much the same thing, at the end of the day), Junior Crehan - a truly delightful character and fine fiddle player from Clare.

And then there's the approach to the tunes... Now, one of my favoured (as opposed to favourite) tunes is The Duke Of Leinster's Wife (The Ladies' Pantalettes). At any lull in the proceedings, I'll kick this one off and then go into a G reel known as "Tommy Peoples'" (but Tommy insists its a traditional reel rather than one of his own compositions). A few nights ago, a fiddler who wasn't part of our normal session showed up to the pub and proceeded to lash into The Duke's Missus at absolute light speed. I was gobsmacked. As far as I was concerned, the speed at which he played (which meant that in order to comply with the laws of physic, he had to dispense with any attempt at ornamentation, not to mention about a quarter of the notes!) rendered down the tune from just that - a tune - into a simple series of hard-on-each-others'-heels notes. So, although The Duke Of Leinster's Wife would usually be in my very long list of tunes I love (and love to play), on that particular occasion it got the big thumbs-down.

I really like Bertram's comment above - it sums up for me the impossibility of singling out any one tune as a favourite. I like to think of the music as a journey - a long journey - without any particular destination. But the fun is in the travelling and each tune is a landmark along the way...

Aidan

[Bruce Evans]

Have you some inside information?

St. Anne's Reel is typically credited as being Canadian in origin.

[Randi Gormley]

For me, I'm a fan of hornpipes and anything in a minor key, so my favorites (to duplicate Jill) tend to change as I learn a new whatever (jig, reel, slip, slide, polka, waltz, set dance) in Am or Em. White Petticoats, Cliffs of Moher, Ships in Full Sail are pieces I play when I'm noodling, f'rinstance. When I test out a new instrument or new strings, I'll skip straight to hornpipes: Alexander's, or Peacock's Feather or Kitty's Wedding/Plains of Boyle.
If you're looking for a tune that sums up Celtic music to me (i think that was part of the OP?), that also would depend on my mood. I've always felt hornpipes were very traditional, but a slow air on a whistle or on pipes now -- ah! That just seems to evoke images of Celtic landscapes.

[JeffD]

... oh, and, "Lament for Limerick" thats a cracker if you can do it justice.

If that is the same as the tune I know as Limerick's Lament, then yes, wow, great tune. Often played way way too fast. I have a recording of Liam O'Flynn playing that on the pipes. It can bring you to your knees.

[Eddie Sheehy]

Two classics for me are 5-part Slip Jigs: The Kid on the Mountain and the Frieze Britches.
My most recent tune is Leaving Brittany.
I am currently working on Brenda Stubbert's reel (it's as Celtic as St. Annes Reel).

[M.Marmot]

If that is the same as the tune I know as Limerick's Lament, then yes, wow, great tune. Often played way way too fast. I have a recording of Liam O'Flynn playing that on the pipes. It can bring you to your knees.

Quite probably the one and the same, i think its called 'Lochabar No More' or something like that in Scotland, it was used as the main theme for the Coen Brothers movie 'Millers Crossing'.

Youre right its a real slow piece,and given the space to sound there are moments of absolute beauty in it... i'll have to see if i can find a pipe version of it, i know it more as a harp piece... i'll make sure to bubkle on some knee pads before i listen though:))

[Eddie Sheehy]

Sharon Shannon does a beautiful rendition of it (Marbhna Luimni or Limerick's Lamentation) on her button-accordion.

[dambekpapa]

Kid on the Mountain...Chief O'Neil's Favorite (HP)...Houmours of Whiskey (SJ).....there's never one...

[Jim MacDaniel]

That's a tough one, but I can narrow it down a bit to anything with "Jig", "Reel", or "Whiskey" in the title. ;)

[steve V. johnson]

The Gold Ring (the five-part one) and Padgin O'Rafferty. And any of the tunes that are called the National Song of the
Kingdom of Kerry.

But really, what Aidan said.

stv

[Paul Kotapish]

I just reread Aidan's thoughtful, meaty post above and it set me to musing on my own journey with tunes--fiddle tunes, pipe tunes, flute tunes--tunes from Ireland, Appalachia, Mississippi, Quebec, Sweden, France, Bulgaria, and beyond.

When I first started trying to learn fiddle tunes--nearly 40 years ago now--I was bewildered that anyone could keep track of all the different melodies. The tunes all sounded alike to me.

After slowly, painstakingly learning a few more and getting a little more confidence, and doing a lot of listening, I became aware of how each tune was an individual gem with its own special turns and phrases. So many tunes, so little time.

Now, after learning--and forgetting--hundreds and hundreds of tunes over the years, I've come to the conclusion that I was right the first time!

So don't worry about which tune(s) you learn--any one will do. As my old pal Jack Link used to say, "There are no tired tunes, just tired players."

[Sandy Beckler]

I too have read and re-read Aidan's post, and along with your response Paul, as well as some of the others....I have had an epiphany! I now see the point that Aidan so eloquently made....it's kind of like the opposite of "not quality but quantity" ....."variety is the spice of life"....oh hell!

Just enjoy each tune as you learn it and enjoy the ride.;)

Sandy

[steve V. johnson]

I am currently working on Brenda Stubbert's reel (it's as Celtic as St. Annes Reel).

Brenda Stubbert's - http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/727

St. Anne's Reel - http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/103

Both great tunes. Just about everybody plays St. Anne's.

stv

[DougC]

Sandy, here is another approach. Adian is right about putting tunes together but what I do is to listen to a lot of recordings and somehow one or two tunes come from my experience. My criterion is most always to choose the tune that is a common sessiun tune over one that is unique, like a Liz Carroll tune. (I have learned her tunes too. But after getting a ton of sessiun tunes learned.)
The influence of sessions is very strong if you play at a sessiun. The latest hot tune must be learned in a week or less! But I get tired of the constant pressure to learn more to please the 'hot shot' imperative. Some people just pick a tune out of a book that looks inspiring. But my method is the reverse, hear a tune that moves me, find other versions of it, check it out online and in books and use the personal inspiration as the reason for learning.
I could send you my Sessiun Book from our St. Paul Slow Sessiun that has our favorites. But you need to follow your own path. Hope this helps.

Doug Cole

[Coreen]

I'm voting for Kid on the Mountain. Its versatile: shared with BG, and if I play all the ways I know it, there are at least 6 parts that can be put together, probably more accurate to say there is a beginning section I've only heard from Barde, then variations on B, C and D parts that can be played.

[8ch(pl)]

The St Anne's Reel is a favorite in the Maritime Provinces of Canada. It is often played with Celtic tunes, but it is French canadian, although not Quebecois. La Baie de Ste Anne is in New Brunswick, on the Gulf of St Lawrence Shore, so it is an Acadian number. It dates probably from at least as long ago as the 1920's.

The song was made popular by the Celebrated Fiddler, Don Messer, who hosted Don Messer's Jubillee on CBC television from the late 1950's to 1970. The show was produced right here in Halifax and had a huge following across Canada and into the New England States.

[Steve L]

[QUOTE=Coreen;814066]I'm voting for Kid on the Mountain. Its versatile: shared with BG...

Does BG=bluegrass? I'm surprised blugrassers would play a slip jig. Do they play Kid on the Mountain in 9/8?

[Stephanie Reiser]

My four favorites are Annie McDonalds Piano, Nail that Catfish to the Tree, The Musical Priest, and Sleep Maggie.
I play then on the fiddle, as a set.

[Bob DeVellis]

While not necessarily my most favorite (although I like it a lot), I remember when I first heard it thinking that Cooley's Reel had something quintessentially Irish-sounding about it. It represented to me what I thought Irish traditional music sounded like. Having listened to and played a lot more Irish music since then, I'm not sure I can fully recapture that sense from hearing the tune, but it's still a great tune that's fun to play on a variety of instruments, including mandolin. There are many, many others that fit that same description, of course. Cooley's holds a special place for me not so much because of how I directly react when I hear it now, but because I remember how I reacted when I first encountered it. Emotional linkages to tunes are a strange and wonderful thing.

[Sandy Beckler]

My four favorites are Annie McDonalds Piano, Nail that Catfish to the Tree, The Musical Priest, and Sleep Maggie.
I play then on the fiddle, as a set.

Hey Stephanie
Where you been? I haven't seen you post in some time....glad your back.
Sandy