a 5th and a flat 7th

[kirkw101]

what chord does a 5 and flat 7th equal?

EX. x35x, the 3(F,flat 7th) and the 5(D, 5th) in the G scale. So what do I call it?

Kirk

[mandolirius]

what chord does a 5 and flat 7th equal?

EX. x35x, the 3(F,flat 7th) and the 5(D, 5th) in the G scale. So what do I call it?

Kirk

Normally, that wouldn't be enough info to identify it but since you've cited the key of G as a reference, it would be a G7.

[Mike Bunting]

You call it a double stop. Depending on the note played around by the band or whatever, it could be a part of a G chord

[Jim Broyles]

Well, you are calling it the 5th and the b7th so you are identifying the root. As mandolirius implied, two notes is not enough to name a chord, but since you imply the root, it is a G7. Those same two notes could denote a D minor, an F6 or even a C9sus4, but that last one is strictly showing off theory knowledge!:))

[Mike Bunting]

[QUOTE=Jim Broyles;777593. Those same two notes could denote a D minor, an F6 or even a C9sus4, but that last one is strictly showing off theory knowledge!:))[/QUOTE]
Or a Bb (3 and 5). How many more? :)

[pglasse]

Or a Bb (3 and 5). How many more? :)

OK, I'll play. You're right, it could be a lot of different things. I'll submit: Db b9.

All the best,

Paul Glasse
Austin Texas

[Mike Bunting]

E7b9, and using the OP's double stop, it resolves downward by half a tone to the E-C# of an A chord.

[mandolirius]

Or a Bb (3 and 5). How many more? :)

This could get pretty obscure. How about Bm#5?

[Mike Bunting]

This could get pretty obscure. How about Bm#5?

Wouldn't the F be a flat 5?

[kirkw101]

Thanks guys.

[Pete Martin]

Am11#5:grin:

[John McGann]

How many more?

F and D together- they can be part of a LOT of harmonic situations... here's a basic 72 or so:

Bbm
Bb
Bb7(about 12 different shades- b9, 9, #9, #11, 13 mix 'n match)
Bm7b5
Bm7
Csus49
C#7 (about 12 different shades- b9, 9, #9, #11, 13 mix 'n match)
Dm
Dm7
Dm7b5
Ebmaj7 9
Ebm (maj7)9
E7 (about 12 different shades- #9, #11, b5, #5, 13, mix 'n match)
Fm6
F6
F7 13
Fmaj7
F#maj7#5
G7 (about 12 different shades- b9, 9, #9, #11, 13 mix 'n match)
Abmaj7#11
Abo7
Bo7
Do7
Fo7

That's the tip of the iceberg...I've heard that theory if 'finite' but c'mon...you can never really get to the bottom of it, which is a fun fact!

[kirkw101]

So much to learn. I thought I was doing good knowing it was in the G scale. I just happen to hit itand thought it sounded kinda bluesy/ rock n rollish.
Kirk

[lenf12]

I thought I was doing good knowing it was in the G scale. I just happen to hit it and thought it sounded kinda bluesy/ rock n rollish.
Kirk

Hi Kirk,

Well it's in a G scale, just not the diatonic G scale which would have a F# not F natural. You're right though about it sounding kinda bluesy. You could also try it as x32x or 0323 (G7) to x21x or 0213 (C7) to x43x or 5435 (D7) back to G7, for a bluesy I IV V progression.

Len B.
Clearwater, FL

[Dave Reiner]

Call it what you like, but a fun alternative voicing to x35x is sliding up to 12 0 x x
Dave

[mandolirius]

Wouldn't the F be a flat 5?

Oops, shouldn't do this stuff late at night. :grin:

[Mike Bunting]

Oops, shouldn't do this stuff late at night. :grin:

And we don't flat our fifths, we drink them. :disbelief: :))

[John McGann]

So much to learn. I thought I was doing good knowing it was in the G scale. I just happen to hit itand thought it sounded kinda bluesy/ rock n rollish.
Kirk

The major scale isn't too rock and roll/ blues, but you are right, those notes in G sound good in those styles because of the b7 (F). The blues scale starts with 1, b3, 4, 5 and b7, called "blues pentatonic" (5 notes). If you add the b5 in there, you have a 6 note scale that is the main menu for hundreds and hundreds of mainstream blues players who use just those notes 85% of the time...on guitar, they call it 'the blues box'.

If you play bluegrass music, it's also an essential sound. The blues is a major part of bluegrass.

I listed all those chords up there for fun... I like thinking about chord/melody relationships, although most of those chords are outside of the normal mandolin experience, they are used all the time in other styles of music. I hope I didn't come off like a weisenheimer!

[kirkw101]

Not at all. If I can't run with the big dogs I stay on the porch.
I have played guitar for years and mandolin on and off for a few years now. I've never had a real lesson so I'm playing catch up on the reasons why stuff sounds good.

Thanks

[John McGann]

That's great that you are able to see the relationships (5, b7) of the notes...I played for years before I had the labels together, but those labels really help you match what you hear to what you play.