Embergher - I have my doubts!

[trebleclef528]

Hi Again,
Just noticed this one on Ebay.com #Item number: 3748556488
(sorry I don't know how you do these immediate links - help!)

It looks nothing like any Embergher I've seen and I've seen a few. notice that Marco (seller) is quite rightly avoiding say it is an Embergher, simply stating "has a label which says.."

Any observations Gentlemen http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif
Regards,
ian

[Jim Garber]

Ian:
This (and many others) were and are being discussed on the Bowlbacks of Note thread.

Here is Alex's take on this "Embergher":

The "early" + "Embergher-labelled" instrument (http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=10179&item=3737680033&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V) that still is being offered on ebay has (IMHO) nothing to do with an Embergher. Neither has the label.

Jim

[Jim Garber]

Marco has listed this faux Embergher (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3748556488) once again, this time with a low minimum. We shall see what happens. I guess the mandolin-buying public is not easily fooled by a mere label.

Jim

[PlayerOf8]

It doesn't even look italian

george

[Martin Jonas]

Marco has listed this faux Embergher (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3748556488) once again, this time with a low minimum. We shall see what happens. I guess the mandolin-buying public is not easily fooled by a mere label.
"Low minimum"? #$350 seems a lot to me for what is a completely anonymous and not particularly reputable-looking mandolin.

Marco's German text is absolutely hilarious, probably another one of those automatic translations. #He has translated the word "vintage" as "Weinlese". #Quite correct, except for the fact that this specifically and only refers to the word in the context of wine. #Thus, translated back into English, this becomes: "This mandolin is very wine harvest."

I also like the fact that this is clearly the world's first Carolingian mandolin (built "end '800").

Martin

[Jim Garber]

"Low minimum"? #$350 seems a lot to me for what is a completely anonymous and not particularly reputable-looking mandolin.
Low compared to what he had it up for previously and certainly low compared to what a real Embergher would go for.

Whatever this is, I would assume that it would be in decent playing condition as it is sold by a dealer of these things, at least one know to us. That alone would be worth the price if it didn;t need additional work to make it playable. Of course, that is an assumption.

I would imagine that Marco is now just trying to get back whatever he has in this mandolin.

Hmmmm... I wonder if there is a real stamp or albel under the fake Embergher one.

BTW has anyone had direct dealings with Marco? I have just emailed him to get prices.

Jim

[trebleclef528]

Jim,
I've dealt with Marco a few times and he seems to be a fairly straight guy - he certainly pays immediately when buying but I've never actually bought anything from him but when I've asked for detailed descriptions of an item he has given these in full.

gosh - did you have to mention labels under labels (ha ha)
Ian

[Alex Timmerman]

Well, this is of course not a mandolin designed with the Roman characteristics and absolutely not an "early" Embergher.

Those instruments that do carry the Masters genuine label with the ´Via Belsiana No.7´ address do not belong to the Embergher early and/or ´first´ made (in Rome etc. - read the seller´s description) ones at all.

So, sorry for Marco but this (rather simplistic Neapolitan) mandolin does not even come close to Rome. It should - as such as it is advertised - best be withdrawn from the auction. For the mandolin and Marco...


Best,

Alex