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JLeather
Sep-21-2009, 10:50am
Hello all,
My name is John and I've been playing mandolin for about 7 years, although I didn't really get into it until a couple years ago. I play in a bluegrass band with my best friend of 15 years along with two other members and we're getting pretty good and getting a couple decent gigs locally.

With that in mind, I've got an instrument question. To date I've not owned what I'd call a "decent" mandolin. Started out with the $50 Harmony from eBay way back when. The action was terrible because the bridge wasn't adjustable and there was no truss rod. Stuck it out with that for a while til a $125 Dean A-model was spotted in a pawnshop. Not a terrible mandolin, and one that I still have as a backup and for camping trips and such. Stays in tune well, but like most mandolins of that price bracket it doesn't note well past about the 10th fret thanks to the hump where the fingerboard joins the body.

Last year I embarked on a quest for a better mandolin, but i've not had much luck. I picked up a "Cecil Sullivan", who is apparently a small-ish builder out of Kansas. It was surprisingly cheap, sounded good, but it actually fell apart on me after just a couple weeks! Came from eBay, no returns, etc. So, at that point I'd had it with cheap mandos went out in search of something in the ~$1000 range, hoping for a Eastman or Kentucky or therabouts. As luck would have it (or not) instead I came across a local Bradley mandolin. It was an older one, mid 70's or so, when they were handbuilt fairly well in Japan. For the low sum of $425 it came home and after a setup it sounded great. Definitely a step in the right direction. Good tone, good looks, but still lacking in up-the-neck playability because (once again) of the body-joint hump. It just wasn't the jump up to the "next level" I was looking for.

So, I played that for the last year or so, but as I get better I'm feeling held back by this mandolin. Having had my fill of the $400-$600 range of mandos (and with the lingering bad taste of that one that fell apart) I'm off and searching for something better, again aiming at a ~$1000 range. This time I find there is a used Buddy Davis up for sale not 10 miles from my house. Now this is some 3 times more money than I was aiming to spend, but I'm getting more serious about my playing and our band is maturing and I'd like to be able to hold my own. I also look back on my previous 2 purchases and think that if I'd spent that money towards a really nice mando instead of the ones that turned out to be unsuitable I'd be ahead of the game.

I've read all that I can on this site and around the 'net about Buddy Davis mandos and the general concensus is that they are fantastic mandolins. Definitely the kind of instrument I could get many many happy years out of.

So here's the oddball semi-philosophical question: am I missing anything by jumping up to a mandolin of this caliber at this stage in my playing? While I'm feeling hindered by my current cheap mandos, I also feel a bit daunted at buying a mandolin this good; as though I'm not ready for it. I suppose it's actually good to have a mandolin that's better than you are, so you have a good bit of room to grow?

If anyone has any thoughts on the matter I'd love to hear them. My friend/guitar player is coming this evening to accompany me with his Santa Cruz while I check out the Davis and give it a tryout. Maybe after playing it the decision will be much easier :)

Eric F.
Sep-21-2009, 11:21am
So here's the oddball semi-philosophical question: am I missing anything by jumping up to a mandolin of this caliber at this stage in my playing?

No.

I suppose it's actually good to have a mandolin that's better than you are, so you have a good bit of room to grow?

Yes.

That about sums up, but I'll elaborate a bit. A fine mandolin is a joy to play. If you can afford it, do it. If it means missing a mortgage payment, buying with credit or not feeding the family, that's another matter. There are plenty of good mandolins out there for around a grand. A used Gibson A9 comes to mind right away.

allenhopkins
Sep-21-2009, 1:16pm
There are no qualifying tests for high-end mandolin ownership. Or rather, there's one: the state of your bank account (or credit line). If you can afford the Davis, and if it plays and sounds the way you want, why not?

The only thing I'd suggest, is that you seem to be going from one mandolin to another, without trying a bunch of them. Can you find a dealer that sells mandolins in your price range, and has several in stock? The close proximity of the Davis is a great selling point, but if I'm going to spend four figures, I want to have a few choices. Once you're talking serious buxx, a bit of comparison shopping seems warranted.

JLeather
Sep-21-2009, 1:43pm
I've played other people's mandolins at jams and I've tried out new ones at a few stores. The store close to me carries Rover, Kentucky, and Weber. The new instruments in the $1k range didn't impress me as compared to even my fairly cheap Bradley. I feel I can do much better with a used instrument, but no shop around me carries a good selection of used mandolins. If I don't like the Davis I'm cosnidering a trip down to Richmond to see Charles Johnson in Richmond. He has a nice selection of mandos, but it's a couple hours away and I just haven't had the time. I'd certainly like to play an instrument before I pay a grand or two for it, which is why I've stayed away from eBay for a high-end mando. I see some good deals there, but I'm leery of buying instruments that way.

JeffD
Sep-21-2009, 1:47pm
Get the best get manolin you can afford.

My brother went out and bought a 35 foot sail boat. His thought - "if you are considering buying a small boat in anticipation that someday you will buy a big boat - get the big boat, someday may never get here."

catmandu2
Sep-21-2009, 1:51pm
Get the best get manolin you can afford.

My brother went out and bought a 35 foot sail boat. His thought - "if you are considering buying a small boat in anticipation that someday you will buy a big boat - get the big boat, someday may never get here."

Ha!...that's a wild comparison, Jeff :))

stratton7584
Sep-21-2009, 2:07pm
If you want a good thousand dollar mandolin look at a used breedlove, it will be well worth your time.
P.s. By the way breedloves are made in america.

JLeather
Sep-21-2009, 7:46pm
Well, it seems this is destined to be a short story. I went over this evening and played the Davis as well as a Shepherd mando the same guy had. I really liked the Davis. Surprisingly even tone. I will say this, though, it needs a good setup and some break-in time. He hasn't played it in years, and even before that didn't play it often. It's an '01. Oddly enough, it's just my style. Narrow, flat fretboard (just like my current mando I'm used to). Nice color. Just my taste. It currently has light strings and a pretty high action. I plan to lower it down a bit and possibly change to mediums, although I may not have to since it has really good projection with the worn out lights that are on there. Oddly enough, the guy who had it remembered me playing in his church like 7 years ago with the same guitar player who accompanied me this evening. He was really nice, and I got a great deal on it. Now it's time to make it my own, and give it some good playing time. Tomorrow evening is band practice, so I'll really start getting used to it.

And, of course, no thread is complete without pics (excuse the fingerprints and light scratches, it needs a good cleaning/polishing):

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/JLeatherman_CF/Mandolins/CIMG1357.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/JLeatherman_CF/Mandolins/CIMG1358.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k113/JLeatherman_CF/Mandolins/CIMG1359.jpg

Eric F.
Sep-22-2009, 6:29am
Nice! Congrats, and many happy years of playing it.

Fretbear
Sep-22-2009, 6:47am
Sweet......

jim_n_virginia
Sep-22-2009, 7:00am
Hey nice nice mando! There's no such thing as buying too much mando. The better mandolin you own the easier it is to learn and play on it.

Now you can get all the latest accessories for it! :grin:


1. ToneGard
2. Armrest
3. string silencers
4. custom inlaid truss rod cover
5. hand made custom strap
6. Blue Chip pick
7. Calton case.