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nathanlivers
Jul-30-2009, 12:13am
Only one post tonight guys take it easy on me!!
this is a link to my facebook group dedicated to bringing IBMA back to Louisville, join up, and sign the petition, and invite your friends, thank you all
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=111163664172&ref=...
Chris Biorkman
Jul-30-2009, 12:14am
We still love you.
nathanlivers
Jul-30-2009, 12:35am
I actually got banned, but I talked to Steve, and he let me back on
mandodan1960
Jul-30-2009, 1:11am
Welcome back !
You won't want to hear this but I rather enjoy having it in Nashville had a chance to visit the Station Inn,Grand ole opry,The Ryman, Gruens Guitars, almost went to a predators hockey game (talk about expensive) split the room with a buddy a found it to be quite reasonable. I wouldn't go if it was in lou a vulle.
jim_n_virginia
Jul-30-2009, 1:58am
I think I agree with mandodan ... I have never been to IBMA but I want to one day. I think I would want to visit more if it was in Nashville because Nashville is another place I have never been too but want to visit one day too.
I've been through Louisville many times and it is a cool town but the IBMA is pretty big now and Nashville is all about music. It only seems natural that a big convention like that would be in Nashville.
But then again Nashville is known for country and western music and Kentucky is drenched in Bluegrass history! :mandosmiley:
Mike Bunting
Jul-30-2009, 2:15am
I actually got banned, but I talked to Steve, and he let me back on
Who's Steve?
adgefan
Jul-30-2009, 5:03am
Who's Steve?
Scott/Steve...it's an in-joke for Lost fans ;)
I can't comment on the pros and cons of Louisville, but I went to IBMA last year and loved that places like the Ryman and Broadway were right on the doorstep of the convention centre. When you're travelling round the world to attend, having it somewhere with other reasons to visit is a major incentive.
I'd sign the petition, but I don't join groups that won't have me.:grin:
I won't be going to IBMA anymore UNTIL they move back to Louisville. This was nothing but a gamey political (read $$$$) move. Everything cost MUCH more $$$$ at Ca$hville. My total bill for a week at Louisville ran around $3K including booth and hotel room. Ca$hville runs $4K.
For that kind of $$ I can take two weeks off and drive to Grass Valley (much better festival IMHO).
I'll go back to the Galt House when Jimmy Martin holds court in his red dinner jacket :))
nathanlivers
Jul-30-2009, 2:54pm
I know tooo many Steves, I talked to Scott, DER!
Chris Biorkman
Jul-30-2009, 3:37pm
I'm hoping they move it to Los Angeles. I'm holding my breath.
JimRichter
Jul-30-2009, 4:11pm
Why don't we do it right and move it back to Owensboro!
frankmsu
Jul-30-2009, 5:02pm
Why don't we do it right and move it back to Owensboro!
Nashville is closer to where I live, and the bonus for me is that I have two daughters that live there. Keep it in Nashville!
Dale Ludewig
Jul-30-2009, 6:52pm
IMHO, I'm with Hans. Back to Louisvulle. Or O'boro. My wife is even from the Nashvulle area, but it got too expensive (the show) for me, and I could even spend the night with relatives. I can see the attraction for people who are there to see the music and don't care about the people spending hard earned cash to exhibit and hope to make this a profitable trip to sell their instruments. I'ts not the same and I guess that's how things go. I love Nashville, in a way. I don't think it's the best way to bring in "small builders" to excite people about what could be. It's becoming the new NAMM for bluegrass.
John Flynn
Jul-30-2009, 7:29pm
Hey, Louisville already has "Bones Fest," the annual convention for musical bones players. Why should they have all the marbles? :grin:
red7flag
Jul-30-2009, 7:43pm
I live outside of Nashville. My favorite was Owensboro, but the event unfortunately grew past what Owensboro could off. 2nd choice would be Louisville, but Nashville is pretty close in terms of feel. I do like the cheep cost for my hotel room in Nashville $0. I can drive in every day. I would probably vote to stay in Nashville. I have had great times since it was moved here.
Why don't we do it right and move it back to Owensboro!
Yea boy!
Ivan Kelsall
Jul-31-2009, 7:33am
I'm with Jim Richter - I'd have to be, i already posted that on the 'other' Louisville thread. Owensboro it is ????. I'm also with the estemed Mr Brentrup re.the pricing of the Nashville Hotels etc.,it's a big city with prices to match,
Ivan
mandozilla
Jul-31-2009, 8:01am
Leave N'ville as a separate vacation destination. :mad: With IBMA Fanfest and all the other N'ville attractions, it's too much for one vacation IMHO. :disbelief:
I'm for Owensboro too...back to the Bluegrass State. Why do you think they call it Bluegrass Music? HaHaHa :)) I love KY and it would help out the state that old Bill loved so dearly to boot. A fitting tribute to the Mon. :grin:
:mandosmiley:
My apologies Lee.
mandozilla
Jul-31-2009, 8:02am
oops! My bone! BTW, How come this Thread isn't in the Bluegrass message board? :confused:
John Flynn
Jul-31-2009, 8:18am
Another consideration I'm sure the organizers had is airline service. You can get a flight into Nashville from most anywhere, with a lot direct flights. But not Owensboro. Even Louisville is a connection from most places.
I'm also sure that there is a larger local draw in Nashville, which is important to event organizers. So the Nashville location may have indeed been a business decision, but it seems like a good one.
MarthaWhitePicker
Jul-31-2009, 8:37am
I am glad its in Nashville! Nashville is not just the home of country music it is also the home of a large majority of Bluegrass musicians. Besides Nashville has to many music themed establishments to NOT have it here. Stay in Nashville.
Steve Perry
Jul-31-2009, 12:26pm
Nashville is not just the home of country music it is also the home of a large majority of Bluegrass musicians.
... and a lot of the other BigWIgs involved with the IBMA. As much as I'd love to see it come back to Louisville(I work only about 4 or 5 blocks from the Galt House) the above reason is why I believe it will never leave Nashville.
Sam Bush Fan!
Jul-31-2009, 12:34pm
I have never got to go becuse it's it Nashville If it was It Kentucky I would be able to go...So Bring It back to Kentucky Please!
Mike Bunting
Jul-31-2009, 12:46pm
I have never got to go becuse it's it Nashville If it was It Kentucky I would be able to go...So Bring It back to Kentucky Please!
Aren't you allowed out of the state? :)
Sam Bush Fan!
Jul-31-2009, 1:05pm
Aren't you allowed out of the state? :)
Yes.
John Flynn
Jul-31-2009, 1:05pm
Aren't you allowed out of the state? :)
It could be that, or there are people looking for him in Nashville...people with guns! :whistling:
nathanlivers
Jul-31-2009, 10:10pm
My fear is that bluegrass will lose its family friendly values. When I have to buy a $25 autograph ticket, just to say hi to one of my favorite players, then Bluegrass is headed down the wrong road. The "HILLBILLY" music festivals are what this music is all about. A 10 year old boy learning mandolin can walk up to his hero, and ask him to show him a lick. When his father can't afford to take him to these events, then that's when the music will die, and that is where the music is headed. I'm all for the MUSIC itself growing, but when big business takes over, it will lose its spirit.
man dough nollij
Jul-31-2009, 11:13pm
When I have to buy a $25 autograph ticket, just to say hi to one of my favorite players, then Bluegrass is headed down the wrong road.
Are you serious? If that really happens, it's about the wrongest thing I've ever heard of, and no performer with any integrity would participate in that. Ick.
Ivan Kelsall
Aug-01-2009, 1:44am
Something i didn't know regarding Owensboro,while i was there in '92,is that it's only a flea's spit away from Rosine.Now an IBMA Festival,back in Ownsboro, with maybe an organised tour to Bill Monroe's home place,would be a real fine thing. One thing i'd really like to know,is what motivated the IBMA to move to Nashville from Louisville in the first place. I belive that the IBMA festival got a bit too big for the one venue ( the Executiver Inn) in Owensboro - or did it ?. Was there some financial profit motivation behind all this ?. It's hard to see what 'profit' could be made apart from by the Hotel(s) etc.,
Ivan
Rob Powell
Aug-01-2009, 2:00am
My fear is that bluegrass will lose its family friendly values. When I have to buy a $25 autograph ticket, just to say hi to one of my favorite players, then Bluegrass is headed down the wrong road. The "HILLBILLY" music festivals are what this music is all about. A 10 year old boy learning mandolin can walk up to his hero, and ask him to show him a lick. When his father can't afford to take him to these events, then that's when the music will die, and that is where the music is headed. I'm all for the MUSIC itself growing, but when big business takes over, it will lose its spirit.
IBMA isn't going to change their policie$ if they hold the event in Louisville. There's a rea$on they hold it in Na$hville ;-)
I've never been but I hope to go this year and Na$hville holds a bonus for me in terms of "things I want to do before I meet my maker."
MarthaWhitePicker
Aug-01-2009, 8:24am
A 10 year old boy learning mandolin can walk up to his hero, and ask him to show him a lick. When his father can't afford to take him to these events,
I keep hearing this ten year old boy analogy. This 10 year old boy can stand in the Lobby in NAshville (every night) for FREE and meet every single person who paid to get into the trade show. There are other options besides paying to stay in the Convention Center. Nashville does have other cheap motels.
mandopete
Aug-01-2009, 9:08am
Okay, he's not really 10, it's more like 11. But why would an 11 year-old want to stay in a cheap motel anyway?
:)
IBMA is in Nashville and that is where it's gonna stay.
You forgot the 'Dadgumit!'
John Flynn
Aug-01-2009, 9:59am
The "HILLBILLY" music festivals are what this music is all about.
I gotta take issue with that. Bluegrass is great, great music, but it was designed by Monroe and others to be performance art for mass audiences. He may have had hillbilly roots, but he did not present himself as a hillbilly. And bluegrass has gotten a huge boost from big cities all along. Monroe first got wide airplay in Atlanta, for heaven's sake. It was one of his big breaks.
And I don't see Louisville as being a "hillbilly" venue. From what I've seen of it, it looks a lot more urban than rural to me.
True hillbilly music is old-time string band music and IBMA does not represent old-time. If you want a hillbilly festival, you go to something like Clifftop or West Plains, and you don't play much bluegrass there.
SternART
Aug-01-2009, 10:10am
<<Aren't you allowed out of state?>>
Yes.
As long as Ma & Pa go too.........I'm thinkin' this Bush fan isn't old enough to drive yet.
Mike Bunting
Aug-01-2009, 10:29am
But he can walk to Louisville and stand in the lobby!
nathanlivers
Aug-01-2009, 6:06pm
my "Hillbilly" festival comment, was not expressing my opinion of bluegrass festivals, it seems to be the view of Kentuckians, and BG fests in general. Unfortunately sarcasm doesn't come across too well on these forums.
nathanlivers
Aug-01-2009, 7:08pm
here is a direct link to the "please bring IBMA back to Louisville" petition for those of you that aren't Facebook members
http://www.petitiononline.com/IBMA/petition.html
Stephen Cagle
Aug-01-2009, 7:42pm
I'm for Nashville but I must admit it's closer to me. I'm sure it's the same for most, where ever is closest to them IMHO. ps: alot of the pro players do live in Nashville. It's for sure alot easier for them and I do like going over to the station inn.
I've been to both venues multiple times each. If it goes back to Louisville, I'm out. Nashville offers SO much more in the peripherals that I cannot imagine why anyone would desire Louisville.
:disbelief:
Ivan Kelsall
Aug-02-2009, 12:52pm
At Owensboro in 1992,even though the venue was smaller even than the one at Louisville,i found more than enough to keep me occupied for a whole week,without 'peripherals'. But,the attraction of the Station Inn in Nashville,is a pretty strong pull,that is if i could afford it after paying registration,Hotel bills etc.,etc.,. IMHO, Nashville is simply too expensive in a lot of respects.Yes, the attractions are there,but at a price,
Ivan
My fear is that bluegrass will lose its family friendly values. When I have to buy a $25 autograph ticket, just to say hi to one of my favorite players, then Bluegrass is headed down the wrong road. The "HILLBILLY" music festivals are what this music is all about. A 10 year old boy learning mandolin can walk up to his hero, and ask him to show him a lick. When his father can't afford to take him to these events, then that's when the music will die, and that is where the music is headed. I'm all for the MUSIC itself growing, but when big business takes over, it will lose its spirit.
Nice post, and I agree with it 100%.
nathanlivers
Aug-03-2009, 4:55am
thanks Joed
Nathan, thanks for making the petition available to those that don't want our face in the book.
The second year I went to Ca$hville, I went only to the fanfest, and noticed a very marked reduction in the number of "hand builders". Last year I stayed the whole week, brought a dozen instruments (for naught) and noticed a further reduction in small builders. This year I might expect y'all to see one or two. The rest will be Gibson, Eastman, maybe Collings and Ellis, and the rest FQMS, Elderly and such. The days of being able to see a dozen makers of limited numbers of high quality mandolins are over.
When the small builders have to pay as much as large factories for a booth and then IBMA charges a bundle for folks to see the instruments, something is wrong ($$$$$).
The exhibit hall stinks. The ceilings are very high, the lighting horrible, and the sound is deafening. Louisville had low ceilings of acoustic tile, carpet, and good lighting. You could actually hear the instrument you were playing.
So, I agree with Dale, this will turn into NAMM, a deafening, factory showcase.
Enjoy!
mandopete
Aug-03-2009, 7:58am
Hans - come back to Wintergrass, it's moved to Bellevue now.
Scott Tichenor
Aug-03-2009, 8:01am
IBMA will move out of Nashville when pigs fly.
Scotti Adams
Aug-03-2009, 8:11am
Well...dont hold your breath..in Cincy we do have this..
Hans - come back to Wintergrass, it's moved to Bellevue now.
How's the hospital? I need a good rest! :grin:
Ivan Kelsall
Aug-03-2009, 11:15pm
IBMA will move from Nashville when people pull the plug on the event & when the bands,who after all,are the most important feature,realise that their fans can't afford to see them there. It seems that the IBMA have been a bit more than dictorial regarding their moves 'from & to'. Unless i'm mistaken,these moves have taken place without any recourse to the wishes of the IBMA members - i certainly can't remember any IBMA questionnaire asking for member's opinions anyway,
Ivan ~:>
mandozilla
Aug-04-2009, 2:30am
I think the IBMA should change its name to the EYWBMA (the Empty Your Wallet Bluegrass Music Association). :mad: No offense to Nashville but I'd much rather attend in Louisville or better yet Owensboro. Perhaps I will rethink my membership (as if they give a Rats Patooty) in the IBMA? :disbelief:
Member; BASC, SWBA, CBA, SPBGMA, IBMM, & IBMA. :grin:
~o):mandosmiley:
Ivan Kelsall
Aug-04-2009, 4:48am
MZ - You summed it up perfectly. IBMA (at least on the face of it),don't give a hoot. I get the impression that it's nothing but an ego trip for the organisers. They say that they want to encourage folk to listen to Bluegrass & to join in the festivals,but if the most important one of all is too darned expensive to attend,how can that be 'good for Bluegrass' ?.
Three years ago,i decide that i wanted to attend the IBMA festival in Nashville. I e-mailed the IBMA several time over 'registration',i phoned them,i even got the guy who used to organise the British Bluegrass Music Association (BBMA) a good friend of mine, to help me out. He gave me the name & e-mail address of an IBMA organiser,i e-mailed that person at their home address - i got no answer whatever i tried. It's a long way from Manchester UK to Nashville,USA without making sure of registering first,so i just left it. If i do come over at IBMA time,i'll spend most of my time & money at the Station Inn i think,
Ivan:confused:
DannyB
Aug-04-2009, 8:22am
I don't think you'll hear the IBMA singing "I'm going back to old kentucky" any time soon. I have only been once and it is an expensive venture. Seems to me they could lower the pricing without moving and make alot of people happy. On the other hand, for right now, when I was there, you could hardly walk around there were so many people there. My point being why would they change it when so many will still pay the price? Just a few thoughts. I for one would go everytime I got the chance if it weren't so high dollar.
kyblue
Aug-04-2009, 9:16am
I'm with those that don't think IBMA WOB is moving anywhere.
But, I do agree there are problems. Hans' post hit a chord with me regarding the trade show. The first year I went, I thought it was exciting that I could see some great instruments from small builders that I couldn't see in local music stores. Each subsequent year has moved further away from that, as I've seen the smaller builders drop away.
Last year, I had a bad ankle and couldn't walk, and the funds were depleted due to illness, so I had to stay home. This year I'm unemployed so looks like another no IBMA year. In this economy, I would be surprised if the same number of folks can justify the cost of this mini vacation.
Of course, I'm still hoping that lottery ticket comes through, because the music and the fans still make it a heck of a good time!
I'm from KY, but love Nashville. But, I wouldn't be opposed to something less expensive, if that were possible.
Paula
Mandoist
Aug-04-2009, 4:16pm
A lot of IBMA misinformation being bantered about.
I'll address one non-truth head-on: Absolutely no one has ever charged money for an autograph at IBMA.
Location: For good or bad, it's pretty much in Nashville to stay. Not my favorite place, but it's a great central location for the bluegrass inner circles.
Concerning the expense of doing business, yes, the WOB week is costly. But if it's the music you're in it for (Fan Fest), that's the last three days ...and not a bad price for the non-stop major lineup.
The IBMA has done loads of good through the years...some obvious, some (behind the scenes) not so obvious. IBMA's constituents have indeed made the tools available to help further ones career -- be that as an artist, teacher, promoter, etc.
If you're an up and coming talent -- with top quality talent & promise -- the Meet n' Greets at IBMA will serve you well. Worthy of an investment, and a week at IBMA WOB is definitely an expense and/or investment.
If you're in the remaining percentile of bluegrass / roots musicians in the world, maybe IBMA won't get you that 100-day festival touring schedule you want. In which case one might think about doing their part simply as a bluegrass music lover and support the IBMA, and the genre as a whole...and try to avoid the "what have you done for me lately" syndrome.
Too many of the negative people have misunderstood the purpose of IBMA. It's not about getting you gigs, agents and record deals, or cheap hotel rooms so you can hang out all week at WOB.
It's mostly (but not entirely) about showing you the tools you might need to succeed in music with YOUR HARD WORK. It's up to you, if you think you have a professional future in the business, to take those tools and apply them to your situation. No one person nor organization is going to do it for you.
It's not always true, but I believe it's mostly the truth: Either you got it or you don't. If you don't, then why not support those who do for the sake of the music you love?
nathanlivers
Aug-05-2009, 11:36pm
the $25 autograph saying was an analogy of a possible Bluegrass future, and that's all. I AM AN IBMA MEMBER AND SUPPORTER, I just do not like the Nashville influence, no offense Nashvillians. I just think that over commercialization will result in typical results, same sounding, same tempo, cookie cutter bands, that have no personality, and no heart. I do like modern bluegrass, but only if it is different from the norm.
nathanlivers
Aug-06-2009, 12:46am
By the way, the group has only existed for 2 weeks and membership has hit 500+ and growing daily, for those of you that want it back in Louisville and have not joined, the more the merrier. Join up and tell your friends. Our voices will be heard together as one group.
Dale Ludewig
Aug-06-2009, 6:46am
As I understand, the performers (all of them as far as I know) perform for no money. They pay all of their own expenses, although I'm not sure as to the hotel bill per se. IMHO, I don't care just how fancy a hotel I'm staying in when I'm not going to be in it except for sleeping/ bathing. It's about the music, not an "experience". It will be an "experience" regardless of how fancy the place is.
Anyone who was up late at night the last night IBMA was at Louisville knows that some people came upon the scene who did not make it family friendly. I have no idea if this was part of the reason to move it to Cashville. I doubt it. That was probably already arranged at least a year prior to that. Just some thoughts.
Scott, pigs don't fly! At least not yet. But then it's said that bumblebees can't either.
nathanlivers
Aug-08-2009, 9:19pm
The party folks, were fairly well contained on the 9th floor at the Galt House that was the party floor (after hours) and everyone knew that, if you didn't know it was your first IBMA in Louisville, and if you had any friends there at all they should have told you. I know if I had kids they wouldn't be allowed on that floor. The lobby and 2nd floor however were well under control, which is were most of your younger crowd were anyhow, as well as there own rooms. the main thing was you didn't have to worry about your kids walking down the mean streets at night, because everything was in one building.
nathanlivers
Aug-29-2009, 4:39pm
the group has hit 700 members and growing!!!!
D C Blood
Aug-29-2009, 6:28pm
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I just think that over commercialization will result in typical results, same sounding, same tempo, cookie cutter bands, that have no personality, and no heart
Don't we already have a whole lot of this? Especially with so many singers coming to town, recording an album using the "A" team of bluegrass studio pickers and harmony singers...Easy way to make a name for themselves and assuring, at the same time, it's gonna sound great.
I vote Nashville. But I believe IBMA could cut the cost back a whole lot.:disbelief:
Mike Bunting
Aug-29-2009, 9:52pm
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I just think that over commercialization will result in typical results, same sounding, same tempo, cookie cutter bands, that have no personality, and no heart
Don't we already have a whole lot of this? Especially with so many singers coming to town, recording an album using the "A" team of bluegrass studio pickers and harmony singers...Easy way to make a name for themselves and assuring, at the same time, it's gonna sound great.
I vote Nashville. But I believe IBMA could cut the cost back a whole lot.:disbelief:
I'd have to agree with that. I don't belong to IBMA, don't believe in hype groups like that. Good music doesn't need to be sold, it sells itself.