What mandolin have you got?

[flippedcanvas]

http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/rock.gif So I'm just new in here but not everywhere else and have been playing the mandolin on and off since late 1997.
I've got a Crafter with active pick-ups electro acoustic which has a nice/sweet sound.
And how about you?Which kinda mandolin have you got?
Oh by the way I've had that mandolin since 2004,that's it and it's all down to you guys.....right now![B]

[sandcastlefaith]

I have a Gibson F-9 that I use for bluegrass and jamming. It's got a ToneGard on it, perfect bluegrass chop sound that I look for for that kind of music. I also have a Michael Kelly Firefly, which has the nice soft, warm sound with a lot of low end that is perfect for soft acoustic jazz and classical, which I play most often, and I have it strung up with Thomastiks. I also have a cheap Epiphone MM-30, but one of my friends is borrowing that.

Nate

I have a Brunkalla F-5


WWW.BRUNKALLA.COM

[John Flynn]

Rigel A+ Deluxe
Parsons Flat-top
Medieros Travelers Mandolin

[Bowzette]

Brentrup "A"
Phoenix Bluegrass
Flatiron Cadet

[steve in tampa]

an old (60's?) no name A body (My $50 starter)
2 Ovation MM68s, a '96 and a '98
Applause MAE 148 2002
Dean BGF 2003
MK Dragonfly 2004

Playing 6 years, and have 6 mandos! Been playing guitar around 20 years, and have about 18 guitars

[Magnus Geijer]

Here's my little collection.
Left to right, $35-on-eBay-and-not-worth-that Sojing, Kentucky KM350s, and Geijer #1.

/Magnus

[danman]

I have a Hutto Master Model, an Allen F-5, Gibson F9, Stella A model and a Docy.

[phynie]

I have a Lyon and Healy C style from the 20's and a moon beam A style being built as we speak.

[8ch(pl)]

Mid Missouri M-4 which I love,
Samick A (solid woods) which I really like.

[sandcastlefaith]

Kyswede - What's that Geijer like? It's beautiful to look at! How's the tone and playability?

[jmkatcher]

Weber Gallatin (in mahogany)
Rigel G-110
Crump custom guitar bodied OM (on order)

[Keith Wallen]

Gibson Bush model F5
Old Town F5 - Don't know much about this one. It was made by a luthier in Lakewood Ohio. I have had it about 15 years.
Started learning on my uncles Gibson A.

[mad dawg]

Freshwater 10-string large body mandolin.

(And hopefully someday soon, another axe suitable for Bluegrass.)

[Bradley]

Gibson Adam Steffey Model

[mandonewbie]

Kentucky KM-150S

My first as a beginner....But, not my last.

[Eugene]

I gots me a bevy o'bowlbacks, some of which can be seen here (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=14185). I keep a 1907 Gibson A for good measure.

[solerydr]

Rigel A+ and Lyra -dont know the model but its supposedly from 1930

[JimD]

I have a Phoenix Neoclassical (my main mando--much more versatile than any other I have played), a Gibson A 50, a National (upon which I play slide--when so moved), a Bruno mandolin-banjo and a no-name Gibsonish Mandocello.

The best story about any of these relates to the mandocello (forgive me if you've read this before). My brother bought it for me at a place in coastal NJ called (if memory serves...)George's Bait and Tackle and Music($35!!!).

[Bobby Brite]

Glenn F-5 Varnish. Block inlay.

[mandofiddle]

RonO F-5 with piezo and internal mic. And I have a Sucek A-5 on the way..

[newblue]

I have a Kentucky 150 not even an "s". Paid way too much at Dollywood. Looking to upgrade to MK Legacy Delux for christmas. Tell my wife.:;):

[mandodebbie]

I own a cheap (but "purrdy" amber and chestnut coloured) f-hole Hyburn. I believe Hyburns are made in Germany. There is no date inside as to when it was crafted. Just a cereal number. It has a nice "voice" and is not too difficult to fret for $150.00 Can. This is my first mandolin, as I am still only a beginner. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[elenbrandt]

My heart belongs to Brentrup (twice)... http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[Fuzzyway]

Hilburn F5
Rigel G5
Old Wave Guitar Octave (almost here)
Schwab 5 string Electric

Fuzzy

[Scotti Adams]

Brw #6Fern...used to own #20..had #23 for awhile and will own #40 soon which will be a Varnished Fern model..

[Mando Dan]

Harvest Moon F model built by Glenn Robertson of Moon Beam (http://www.moonbeammandolins.com)

[onlyagibsonisgoodenuff]

Gibson F-5 Varnished Fern, A. Lawrence Smart F-5 and Collings MF-5. Can't seem to choose, so I don't try.

[jim simpson]

Gibson F-5G & Sim Daley - Standard F5 style (simdaley.com)

Jim

[Tim Saxton]

Custom Weber Absoroka A
Epiphone MM-50 F-5
Agape F-5

Tim Saxton

[mandomiss]

I've got an old 1937 Gibson F4 that my grandpa gave me.

[jimbob]

Washburn Jethro Burns--- good learner, heavy, looks better than it sounds, plays OK

Weber Yellowstone w/ tone bars & scooped finger board


wish list includes a new Hilburn

[jasona]

Laura Ratcliff #6 A5

[Jaws]

Used Phoenix Deluxe. Once-in-a-liftime bargain http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[mando-red]

I have a Dearstone D5M, Stiver F and a Kentucky 380S that I keep in D tuning to play Get up John.

[Ted Eschliman]

Since my taste in gear flies in the face of popular mando traditions, my studio has been labeled the "Axis of Evil" by some purists.
I prefer "Axes of Upheaval (http://members.aol.com/teesch/axes.html)".

[davestem]

1954 Kaykraft acoustic-electric (terrible, on loan) and Johnson MA-380 (surprisingly good for price). Soon, an MK Firefly.

[fatt-dad]

Here is my list of keepers:

1919 Amana-white A-3
1984 Flatiron A5-1 (Carlson)
1983 Flatiron 1N
Alvarez two-point oval-hole
Kentucky KM-250s ('80s japan with fishman)
Ibanez "distressed" (it's like an A-40)
Aria M-300 (two point with f-holes).
Ibanez A5-L Lawsuit (may sell it).
Montana Flattop with oval hole (plywood, beach mandolin)

I play all of these and have really loved collecting mandolins! I do have others to sell and have others I want to buy, but that's how it goes - ha.

f-d

[Baron Collins-Hill]

heres a pic of my fender acoustic electric fm62se

http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin....t=17034 (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=15;t=17034)

how doe people like f9's? sound quality wise?

[Mando4Life]

2002 Weber Yellowstone (some minor modifications: Gotoh tuners, FQMS Trad. Bridge) and an old Kentucky KM-630 that collects dust really well now.

[Rick Schmidlin]

2004 Prucha F5 German Top,

Rick

[Winks]

Weber Hyalite.

[JimF9]

Gibson F9
Dean FSF

Jim

[Fred G]

1999 Gibson A5-L
2002 Gibson A-9
Kentucky KM 380S
old Harmony

Mandohack, I really like that Michael Lewis...It is beautiful.

[JD Cowles]

2001 Bill Davis F5. Western red cedar top, walnut everywheres else. I LOVE this mandolin. It is a hog. I look at other mandolins, and I want other mandolins, but I love this thing too much.
http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif

[Igor The Cat]

Johnson MA-120 that souds as good as a Kentucky 675 IMHO

But i hope to start building soon!

[Bluebird]

I have a Gibson F5-G '91 and a Anderson no. 71
the Gibson has a great, deeper, tone but is harder to play.
The Anderson has more ring and sustain.

[Albert Whiting]

lebeda premium plus
michael kelly fs deluxe

[Kevin@bluegrassbrethren]

Kentucky 140S
Givens A6
Givens Legacy A6
Kentucky KM1500 (Soon for Sale)
BRW MTFS Being Built (See Above)

[biomando]

I feel like I shouldn't even mention my mandolin after seeing what everyone else has, but I have a very cheap Johnson A-style. It's cheap, but it's gotten me started. Someday I aspire to own a Weber

[Bluebird]

Don't feel bad. When I started I played a $30 Kay. That was with the book, tuner, and picks. I played it about 3 months then the top collapsed. ooops.

[Lee]

Phoenix Deluxe
BRW A
Collings MT2
Laura Ratcliff A5
Old Wave oval A
Sucek 2-point oval
Taggart A5
Bacon Student A
Tacoma M2
Newson A5
two Schwab 5-strings
Schwab 4-string
Fender "mandocaster"
Gibson Florentine
Blue Star MandoBlaster
Dobro Mandolin
Flatiron 'Zouk
Blassius bowlback

[mad dawg]

Lee: If you are married, what advice can you impart on those of us with spouses who don't understand, nor enable, MAS?

[neal]

Holy smokies Lee, what a stable! Well, you got one horse for cuttin' sheep, one for show, one to pull the wagon, one to take the lady out, the rest, well, you like horses, I s'pose.

As for me, I thinned my herd recently, Gibson A-Jr, my favorite and I'll keep it till I die, maybe, and a Japanese F made by Morris(not Howard), sweet player, could use a little more sound, though.

Now, guitars, well.........

[Bob Sayers]

A couple of years ago, I vowed that my then recently-acquired Gibson F-9 would be my last mandolin. #Alas, the seductions of Mandolin Cafe were too much to keep my MAS under control. #Now I've got a 2003 Wayne Benson Artist Model and a 2004 Varnish Fern. #Sound-wise, they couldn't be more different. #The Fern, which I ordered with a dark brown finish, has a throaty chop and rich, mellow bluegrass tone. #It also has a rounded neck profile which is very comfortable to hold. #The Benson, by contrast, has a V-neck and a dry, very focused sound. #I'm still trying to decide which one I like best. #On looks, though, the Benson wins hands down. #Its satin finish, wine red sunburst, and blue abalone fern inlay just knock me out. #It'll (probably) be my last mandolin. # #

Bob

[JimRichter]

Currently, I play a Duff F5 (and have gone through a series of Gibsons in the recent past: a Sam Bush F5, a 1914 F2, a '27 F4, an '18 A3), but next week it looks I'll be replacing my Duff with a Wayne Henderson F5. Wish I could amass a stable of mandolins, but have too many other hobbies (guitar, banjo, Macintosh computers) which take my available cash.

[Peakbagr]

I have a Rigel and waiting for a new F-style mandolin from Hans Brentrup which should be ready by the end of August.

[Bradley]

Lee....you are the official mando King

[Fred_Murtz]

Breedlove Quartz OF Custom

[Steve Williams]

1925 Gibson A-Jr
1984 Epiphone MM-70
Mid 80's Kentucky KM-180S

And a Gibson A-9 that is scheduled to arrive sometime today! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[midmando]

Mid Mo M1 - my first mandolin
Fender FM53S
Michael Kelly FS Solid

[Lee]

Odd thing; in the Philly region mandos are hard to come by. I always tell myself when the next one arrives I'll sell one. Hah!
Some are for sale. But I have no digital camera, nor girlfriend or wife.
Of them all, the Newson was one of my first and still gets most honorable mention. The Old Wave is the newest acquisition and rose right to the top of the list.

[Flatpick]

A Cliff Sargent F-5.....

that I am Currently restoring.

I play a Henderson F-5 fern which is about to be Jim's formely owned by Peter Mix of Rigel instruments. Killer mandolin but I got to shove out the dough for my new Kimble that is fixing to be finished.

[Yellowmandolin]

First: Johnson MF-370

Free: Bently A

Now: Gibson F5-G

[Winks]

Weber Hyalite. Just got it after trying out many. Getting back to the mandolin after a 35 year lay-off and this fills the bill.:D

[PhilGE]

2 smalls
1 regular
1 large
1 extra large

names withheld to protect the innocent. now, go away and practice..

-Phil #http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif

[skipper]

A Rogue, $80 with two books and gig bag. Thankfully, the top has NOT collapsed, that must've been quite the surprise, Bluebird.

[Andrew Reckhart]

Stiver 'A' Transparent Black face. I keep trying, but I can't find anthing that I like better for under $5000

[krishna]

A Monteleone Grand Artist (Please no more hate mail!)....4 string Dangerous Flying "V" (nice birds eye)...Kent 8 sting solidbody mandola... #Dangerous 8 string "Ben Mink "solid body ( plastic farm animals inside... Looks like a 2 point acoustic mando but has a BIG block of maple inside... Oh . and NO SIDES!) I just went looking for pics of that last one... can't find...sorry...

[peterleyenaar]

A 1921 Gibson F-4, recently acquired, 1917 Gibson F-2, Sawchyn custom made A-5, I like the older Gibsons more and more, they have a sound quality that I can't find in the modern built mandolins although I have to immediately add that I haven't come across any mandolins that I don't like, I like them all:D

[Dave Cowles]

New to this forum - I have a handmade F5 started by my brother some 25 years ago, left uncompleted until 2 years ago. I got all the pieces and parts and had Scott Morgan (of Bluegrass Alliance) complete the building and finishing. An incredible, loud bluegrass beauty, great tone and amazing history. Now to learn to play it...
Dave

[fonefly]

Kentucky km-650 First one & hopefully not the last.

[Kirk Albrecht]

new Collings MT
21-year old Epiphone MM-30 (wedding present from my wife)

[guitharsis]

Mid-MO #M-0 #My first mando-traded a classical guitar for it
a few months ago.
It's a great first mando and won't be my last.

[doanepoole]

2 mandolins have come and gone, and the three survivors are:

Flatiron Festival F - hardly play it, because the BG band I got it for and played it with has since parted

1914 Gibson A - probably my favorite mandolin ever. The sound is so warm, rich, and round and 90 years of mojo don't hurt either. I wish I knew what this mando has been through. It was refretted with larger fretwire some time in its past, and I appreciate the alteration greatly.

Weber Aspen #2 - My only e-bay instrument purchase....got it at a crazy low price expecting it to be purely a camping mando, but it surprised the heck out of me with the quality of the sound. A beautiful mando to look at, and has a very lovely, and surprisingly loud, flattop tone.

[flairbzzt]

Washburn m-2
Martin A-215 (gorgeous curly maple)
Stradolin (anybody ever hear of that?)

Looking for an entry level F style (Epiphone mm50 or Fender fm63sb

)

[jimini_pickit]

Johnson MA-100 A-style 'beater'
Kentucky KM-140 A-style (actually nice, rich tone surprisingly)
Galveston F-style Not the cheapo version you find on eBay now, an older version, carved solid top, nice inlay, plays like butter....but no model #, markings, etc. I keep searching eBay for another but all I find are the newer cheapo's (ya know, with that goofy looking scroll?)

[Brad Weiss]

1. Fender FM 53-S

2. Mandobird

3. Harmony Archtop Tenor Guitar (tuned like an OM)

4. Kentucky KM675S (much, MUCH better than it's rep on this board)

Would love to try a Phoenix and Old Wave, and thinking seriously about a Rigel A+ deluxe

[Lieufire]

Gibson Fern F-5
Kawalek Kit round hole A

[TomServo]

Collings MF
1974 Jim Pryor (Portland luthier) A-style

[TomServo]

Okay, since it seems I have way too much time on my hands this fine Sunday, I counted 177 mandolins so far. Here's how they break down (with the brand, quantity, and overall percentage of responders):

Big volume builders
Gibson 24/ 13.6%
Kentucky 13/ 7.3%
Weber 6 / 3.4%
Rigel 5 / 2.8%
Flatiron 5
Johnson 5
Michael Kelly 4/ 2.3%
Epiphone 4
Fender 4
Collings 4
Other "big volume builders" 19/10.7%
Total "big volume builders"= 93/52.5%

Small volume builders
Schwab 4/ 2.3%
Phoenix 4
BRW 3/ 1.7%
Givens 2/ 1.1%
Stiver 2
Laura Ratcliffe 2
Dean 2
Old Wave 2
No name/self built 6/ 3.4%
Other "small volume builders" 57/ 32%
Total "small volume builders" 84/ 47.5%

Well, it seemed interesting to me. I hope someone else finds it so. I could be wrong in my placement of a few "small volume builders", but I think it's pretty close. I should be practicing more and number crunching less. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[Lee]

Interesting breakdown. Thanks for taking the time.
I'm surprised to see you place Phoenix in the "big builder" bracket. I'm pretty sure Rolfe works solo.

[sbarnes]

only have 1 mando so far...
a fender acoustic/electric A fm52 A

plans are for a michael kelly this year and

future includes a gibson

Olympia F (loaned out currently)
Weber Gallatin
Freshwater Octave Mandolin (currently strung/tuned as a mandocello)

[Mike Bunting]

Collings MF5
Gibson A Jr.
Washburn A set up as an electric
Nicholl A

Mike

[TomServo]

My mistake, Lee. Fixed it. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

[djeffcoat]

1974 Martin Model A
1981 Flatiron 1C
1982 Monteleone Grand Artist
2000 Woodley F5

(all lefties)

Don Jeffcoat

[chirorehab]

Michael Kelly Legacy FS Deluxe
Fender A Acoustic/Electric

Eric

[lucho]

Not so long ago there was here in the café a listing of instruments we have gotten... Clearly, most of these listings are focused to american brands and makers, but so is this site and much of the mando friendly places in internet.... just to say that there are many good mando makers outside big brands from the US, and Pac rim countries that don´t show up in internet like those based on the Gibson models.
Anyhow, it was amazing to know about how many of us are MAS addicted in this forum.... I am one of those who started with an andean charango and then spread with the whole mandolin family with all kind of other plectrum relatives I use with my ceilid band. Currently, I have 5 mandos plus a plethora of other folk relatives from different places around the world. #
from my current list I just copied and pasted.
Instrumentos # # # # # # # # serial number
MANDOLINS
Flatiron 2MW mandolin (1988) 88043845
Kentucky KM-200S mandolin (1997) 97900138
Samick SM40S mandolin (1998) 98100002
Stradolin solid spruce/maple mandolin (1930's)
Andaluz 10 string mandolina

OM/TM/TG
Flatiron 3K bouzouki (1984) # # # # # # # # # # # # # # 8408301
Vega Little Wonder short scale tenor banjo (1929) 84440
Martin O-T18 tenor guitar (1930) 43287
Breyer tenor mandola (1920s) 9846
Gremlin Salterio tenor mandola (1990s) 0047

CITTERNS/LUTES:
Kirsinger bandola (waldzither short cittern; 1920?) 13136
arabic oud
turkish bouzuk saz
bolivian chaski charango
2 waylacho charangos
Lonestar puertorican cuatro (1997)
San José puertorican cuatro (2003)
Vicente Sanchis style 2 tenor laúd (1997)

[John Bertotti]

Vega Bowlback. Great low investment for the sound. Excellent. John

[doublestop]

Add another Weber and Kentucky to the count. I have a Custom Weber Yellowstone and a Kentucky KM-1000 (japanese around 1986). I love them equally, but each is different. Photo is of the Custom Weber Yellowstone with fern inlay.

[Dru Lee Parsec]

I have this one:

http://www.brouelette.com/mandolin/mando1.JPG

It's a Breedlove KO and I really like it. It sounds great and it's pretty http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.brouelette.com/mandolin/mando3.JPG

[Eugene]

I'm glad to see those inspired by an older tradition stepping up. I doubt anybody could possibly care, but here are a couple details from my current stable.

Bowlbacks:
Luciano Faria, 2004, 6-course mandolino (after Smorsone 1736)
Anon. ca. 1835
C.F. Martin & Co., 1908, "Unidentified special, maple joints"
The Vega Co., ca. 1910s "Made expressly for Peter Schuchmann" (who the h*** was Schuchmann!?)
The Vega Co., ca. 1910s (with a wee Vinaccia-like butterfly like no other Vega I've seen)
Washburn, ca. 1910s, Style 225 (no relation to the modern Washburn in spite of the assumed airs)

Non-bowlback newfangled upstart whippersnapper:
The Gibson Co., 1907, style A

[Greg H.]

I have a Rattlesnake F5 as my main mandolin and one of the old kit mandolins Tut Tayler put out in the mid 70s as my camping mandolin.

[Daniel Nestlerode]

Capek F5 (2000)
Kentucky KM630 with Allen tp (1994?)
Weber Alder #2 custom mandola (2000)

Someone metioned that their Weber Aspen was louder and better than they expected. IMHO, Weber's best instruments are the flat tops. Loud and rich. My Alder (Aspen's big brother) recently hung in well in a jam session with a dreadnought (strung w/ mediums) and a percussionist playing a conga and tambourine! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif

Best,
Daniel

[brewmaster]

Gibson A 1922 decent tone and condition
Gibson A 1923 unbelievable tone and good condition
Collings MF 2003 amazing tone


I'm still pretty new to this site and would like to know what the abbr. "MAS" stands for. Is it the addiction of desiring more and more mando's.....and when you get them you still want more?

[Fred G]

Mandolin Aquisition Syndrome - You have it and you didn't even know it. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[brewmaster]

Yeah, that seems to be the case!

[gh_mando]

Like Greg, I have a Rattlesnake f-5 as my main mando. I also have 2 snakeheads, a '24 and a '23.

[WireBoy]

My mandos:
#Will Parsons F2 2002
#Avila (korean import)A5 style
#no name bowlback

[SmallFry]

My first mandolin was a Montana...its some model from Tokyo.
I just got a Weber Absaroka

[dudlebug23]

I own a Highland mandolin, which is a factory model Washburn with a guitar company's name on it. It's not as good as a Weber or Gibson, etc., but it's better than some I guess. I don't plan on getting that Weber Bighorn or Gibson F-9 until I'm "worthy" of it. Time to practice! http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mandosmiley.gif

[wheelhoss]

From most recent to oldest:
# # # # # # # # # # # # # # #
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Parker F5 in blackface (2004)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Parker A5 (2003)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Gibson Master Model (2002)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Sumi F5 #(2002)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Sumi Fern (one piece back) (2001)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Rigel G5 #(Wintergrass/Gaudreau 2000)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Sumi Fern (tonebar) (1999)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Ratliff F5 (1998)
# # # # # # # # # # # # #Ratliff A4 (1997)

[Peter Hackman]

Flatiron A5 Artist, 1996
Collings MF5something, 2004 I suppose

[kupp]

Bestler M-1. I paid $21.00 new and $20.00 shipping. It sounds ok.

[G_Smolt]

Coleson F5 #16
C.E Ward A 1988
Larry Hughes F5 #20
Larry Hughes F5 #22
Docy F 2001
And a couple that I am (still) in the process of building...

[wheelhoss]

In my listing, I meant to list a Rigel G110 (not G5)....the one hand selected my Jimmy Gaudreau at Wintergrass 2000. The
G5, of course, was not being made back in 2000. #By the way,
I wouldn't trade this particular G110 for a G5 today, as it is one of the best mandolins I've played or heard.

[Steve F]

New Collings MT. Heee heee!
Paid... well, more than internet prices but I prefer to give
local music stores my business. For later (might need to test drive something else some day, ya know). Plus, this one I could not leave behind and he knew it!

[mandomurph]

In order of acquisition-

Martin - unknown date
Givens A 1990
Gibson A5L 1999
Cole F 2000

[addcourt]

Currently have a Gibson Fern(decent but not exceptional), Apitius(excellent in all respects)and a Gibson MM(didn't know mandos in this millennium could be this good!). Also, am now on Jim Hilburn's list for varnished F model sometime in '07(hopefully). Owned a Bush model until the MM came along that was as good as it gets for the Sam Bush sound. Currently in the hands of a player/teacher in NC who really appreciates it.