The Commodium

[grags]

Anyone have any experience with one of these?

[JEStanek]

Read all about one here (http://jazzmando.com/keith_carey.shtml) at Jazzmando.com.

Jamie

[grags]

That's where I heard about them. I am curious if anyone has one or has played one and what their impressions are.

[Greenmando]

Made by Keith Cary, he charged $100 for unused bedpans.
His website has been down for a while. http://www.keithcary.com/commodium/
Anyone have one for sell? I've been looking for one a few years.

[Fred Keller]

He's still making 'em. His email is listed somewhere on one of his youtube or myspace pages: kcary@dcn.org. I exchanged a couple emails with him a month ago or so asking about pricing:


I charge $800 for the regular model, with rosewood fingerboard and inexpensive (though fine) tuners. For the more expensive Schaller or grover tuners I just add on the difference in cost to me, about $40. A little extra for an ebony board. I generally do a radiused fingerboard, unless someone asks for flat. You can ask for any width at the nut that you'd like. I am making a little batch of them right now.


I've never played one, but I gotta say I like the tone I hear on the vids and sound clips I've heard. He sets 'em up strung in octave courses and they really have an authentic old string band sound without some of the harsh jangliness of the mando-banjo (personal opinion of mine--no flames please :mandosmiley:).

Here's one of the vids:

Hokum Blues (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQy1om865I0&feature=related)

[Chris Biorkman]

With all due respect, the appeal of a mandolin made with a bedpan escapes me entirely.

[mandroid]

good reflective shape , resonator Ovation with a stainless steel back may make it less misunderstood..

[Ted Eschliman]

With all due respect, the appeal of a mandolin made with a bedpan escapes me entirely.

Chris, Chris, Chris... It's the jokes (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=8;t=30511;hl=commodium) you can tell on stage, man!

[JEStanek]

With all due respect, the appeal of a mandolin made with a bedpan escapes me entirely.


To me, there's nothing odd, distasteful or obscene about the commodium. It has a very American "can do" folk spirit about it of using the materials at hand to make a tool to get the job done. I really need to make a focused effort to save and order one. That, and they sound pretty darn cool.

Jamie

[Keith Cary]

The Commodium story.

I haven't been checking around like I should. I finally googled Commodium and found several threads on my instrument. I'm the guy who invented and builds them. I hope it's not too self-serving but I'll relate a little of its history. About ten years ago I visited National Resophonic in San Luis Obisbo, as I was want to do it those days. They're very nice guys. They'd just completed a prototype Nat wooden mandolin, trad Nat mando shape, not the round one they make now. I was so impressed I rushed home and sold my Dobro mandolin (mine, at least, didn't hold a candle to the Nat) and tried to think of some kind of common pot or pan that was close to mandolin shape. I told my close friend and dedicated garage saler about my need. Two weeks later I came home to find a bedpan on my porch. I guess this means I better share inventor status with my friend, Barry.

I'm an instrument repairman and builder by trade but making a bedpan into a dependable, loud and good-sounding instrument still took me a year or two and several dead ends. It does use a National-style cone, but its support system is totally different from a National's. It is indeed loud. I've so far never played a louder mandolin. (Well, I haven't tried it against every banjo mandolin that comes my way.) I even get out the old decibel meter from time to time just to make sure. So far, so good. Loudness certainly isn't everything but it does count for a lot when you play with a bunch of volumetric guys and you don't use amplification. It also has a surprisingly warm sound, even with the octave stringing I tend to use.

As to its bedpan origins, when I'm playing in public I usually don't point it out. Some band mates can't resist, but personally, I'm more interested in people enjoying its tone, its volume and or maybe the birdseye maple neck. Few people guess that it's made out of a bedpan and a pot lid. Every time I make one I seem to find another detail to refine. Lately it's been having the Revereware cover plates water cut at a machine shop.

If you want to hear it I recently put up Hokum Blues on my MySpace, http://www.myspace.com/keithcary Bill Foss is playing the Commodium, Meredith Axelrod is playing guitar and I'm playing cello, rather sharply, I'm afraid. There's a YouTube of the song, also.

Best,
Keith Cary

[Bertram Henze]

That youtube clip is hilarious. The Commodium sound reminds me of caribbean steel drums.

Could do with some MOTS binding, I guess :grin:

Reminds me also of this recent German commercial for a Ford model:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCwA8XyqmbI

Bertram

[kestrel]

Keith -

Your "Hokum Blues" on You Tube is marvelous. What a unique instrumental and vocal blend. I think the Commodium sounds great. Pure Americana.:cool:

Gene

[Fred Keller]

I got one of these beauts for Christmas and I must say it sounds great! Yes, it is indeed loud--a real b@njo killer--but it has enough of that resonator sound to take the shrill out and temper the whole thing with a bit of a bluesy, mellow tone.

It sounds awesome on old stringband blues, jugband, and ragtime material. If I get time this weekend I'll try and make a few video clips and post 'em

[JEStanek]

Thanks Fred and Keith. I need to save my nickels for one of these!

Jamie

[kudzugypsy]

Joe Craven (David Grisman sideman) and i played a great duo on the commodium a few weeks ago - i played a couple of bo diddly tunes on it. as one would imagine, quite similiar to a dobro mandolin

[John Flynn]

Reminds me also of this recent German commercial for a Ford model:
Bertram
I saw a documentary about the making of that commercial. Those are real instruments made out of real car parts and they are actually being played in the commercial. One guy, who is a visual artist and instrument maker, was commissioned to create them and the documentary was mostly about him and his work.

I think the Commodium is a great design. It is a wonderful study in form and function. I agree with the "Yankee ingenuity/can-do" sentiment. Also, if I didn't know it was a bedpan, I would still look at it and say it had nice lines and was very innovative. I'd like to get one someday.

I'd also have to opine that it's the perfect metaphor for my playing abilities! :mandosmiley:

[Fred Keller]

And the jokes are definitely a plus :)). I've taken to referring to mine as a "P"-style mandolin, model #1 or #2.

(sorry, couldn't resist but I probably should have...)

[John Flynn]

And the jokes are definitely a plus :)). I've taken to referring to mine as a "P"-style mandolin, model #1 or #2.

(sorry, couldn't resist but I probably should have...)
In the old days, we would have had a couple of pages of sophomoric jokes by now. I miss the old days....:(

[Tom C]

Great tune!

[Keith Cary]

Wow, it's great to see all the interest, and I'm so happy you like your new Commodium, Fred. Excellent. Dang, I need to send you those CDs. They're right here next to me.-------And I have to tell everyone that it's Bill Foss playing the Commodium on Hokum Blues, not me. He's an incredible mandolin player. I'm playing cello and Meredith is on guitar. And I also have to revise my "loudest mandolin I've heard" comment. We were over at Bill's tonight playing Mammy's Little Sunny Boy, an old rag. I was playing Bill's new National Resophonic mandolin and he was playing my Commodium. I have to say the National seems to be as loud as the Commodium. It's a beautiful instrument, and each as its place in the tone spectrum. The National is warm and throaty, probably because it's not ported, and the Commodium sounds a little more like chimes. They both share a trait that none of the older reso mandos have, as far as I know. They both have very stiff systems to support the cone, so all the energy goes there and not to sheet metal or thin wood. I think we'll have a recording up very soon of us playing that rag, if I didn't play too many clams. Best, Keith

[jim_n_virginia]

I always wanted a commodium! Never could find one for sale. :mandosmiley:

[kestrel]

"Excellent. Dang, I need to send you those CDs. They're right here next to me.-------"

Keith -

Where are those CDs available? I'd like to get one.

Gene

[JEStanek]

CDs for the Joy Buzzards and Alkalia Flats are on CDBaby. (from Keith's MySpace page).

Jamie

[jasonv]

FWIW, I own a tenor guitar Commodium. Great sounding guitar; Keith did a wonderful job with it.

Hi Keith! It's been a while...

Besides being a great player, Keith is one of my favorite mad scientist luthiers... it's always a hoot to see what he's tinkering with.

[Keith Cary]

Jason! Good to hear from you. Man, I've been digging the Journal. What a beautiful thing you've been doing. You, and anyone else, can contact me at kcary@dcn.org. (Bob and I have been playing with Little Charlie, who is probably ready for an article.) I'm glad the tenor is still in service. I think it was my first long-neck Commodium. Thanks for the inspiration. Back to "work". Keith

[Keith Cary]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that the Alkali Flats cd doesn't have any Commodium on. The Joy Buzzards does, though, and I think it's a wonderful disk. Soon, Axelrod, Cary and Foss will have something to offer. I do encourage everyone to check us out at www.myspace.com/axelrodcaryandfoss
Bill's a wonderful mandolin player.
Best,
Keith

[Fred Keller]

I debated whether I should put this in "post a pic/vid" but figured there's no reason to start a new Commodium thread. Here's one of two vids I slapped together today to give you an idea of how it sounds.

This here's the Saturday Night Hymn by Al Miller

[Fred Keller]

Here's the second. BTW Keith--no sweat on those CDs :). I'm planning on giving you a ring soon to chat and maybe figure out a time to hook up in Sacramento.

Vicksburg Stomp:

[Keith Cary]

Axelrod, Cary and Foss just played Mammy's Little Sunny Boy at a rehearsal and we managed to make a quick recording. We make a few mistakes, but the feel is good and you can hear the contrast between the National and the Commodium. I like them both a lot. I'm playing Bill's round National resophonic mandolin, playing the melody in the lower octave. Bill is playing my Commodium with its octave stringing, often playing an octave higher than me and later in the tune doing the improvisation. Meredith Axelrod is playing Bill's Martin 0 guitar. It's the second song on my list at my MySpace site at www.myspace.com/keithcary