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Michael H Geimer
Jul-19-2004, 6:47am
I just got back from a week in NYC visiting with friends. "You can go out to Staten Island on your own!", was how they playfully put it to me, and that's just what I did last Friday.

You could easily miss the place the facade is so plain; just a stone front, no windows, and a nameplate reading 'Mandolin Bros.' When I walked in, I stepped right into an office rather than a showroom. I was immediately greeted with, "So, what'd you bring us?" I had brought the Mid-mo on my trip, and the staff was most interested in my odd-ball M-11, with its matte finish and lack of binding or rosette. So, I knew right away these guys are instrument geeks!

I was encouraged to play anything I wanted, and had a great time playing a variety of Martin guitars I had been itching to hear. Of course they stock most every maker you'd want to play, but for me it was mostly a Martin day.

Another customer - clearly a regular - was there to get a gig bag for his custom built 5-string with a deep, open back. The banjo was set up for nylon strings with scooped upper fingerboard, and this guy could really make it sing. Everyone stopped to listen.

[Warning Guitar Reviews Ahead]

D-18VS - Wow! A 12-fret slotted headstock dreadnought with all the 'Vintage' appointments.

D-16R - The one they have there is odd, having a rosewood fretboard rather than micarta. I was very tempted by this one but I just don't have GAS that bad right now.

Mini-Martin - Holy Cow! This thing is really something. I love my Larrivee parlor, but this has a voice that is so rich and warm you've got to love it. It is also quite a beauty.

Gibson L-5 - Superb, but not the tone I expected. I expected to fall in love with it, but no.

[On to the mandolins]

Weber Bitteroot - This is the first 'stock' Bitteroot I've ever played. (I own a maple backed version) I was surprised by the difference in tone the mahogany makes. It had a more up-front, direct tone than mine; other reviews around here have used the phrase 'more guitar like', and I would agree with that.

Gibson F-5G - Classic Gibson tone all the way.

Gibson F-5L Fern - I've now played several different varnish instruments and I definitely enjoy the open lively tone that varnish offers.

Collings MF-5 - This is my personal favorite of the 'shop offers', but that Fern was so close that I hesitate really call a 'winner'.

I was just hanging up the Fern when Pete from the repair shop walked in and asked if I had played the Collings, commenting that he heard me playing from downstairs, and when a 'real' mandolin player comes in he likes to make sure they get to play the right stuff. I assured him I was just a common hack, but he unlocked that unmarked door anyway.

He proceeded to take out a Distressed Master Model. Incredible! The Tone, The Mojo, even The Smell. Truly the finest mandolin I had ever played.

Then he floored me by taking out the Real Deal. 1923 Loar. Oddly, I never looked at the signature ... I just played it. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif It is All That. It even smells like that.

But, put a decade of real aging to the Distressed Model, and I bet it will sound much the same. I guess what I'm saying is ... I see the point. An truly excellent reproduction of a classic instrument.

[Final Impressions]

I've never been welcomed so kindly at a music store in my life; these are great people at Mandolin Bros. When MAS or GAS come around hard, I'll factor a flight over into my budget. Even though I got complimented on my playing, I wish I were better able to really put these great instruments 'through the works'. I was just happy to play them at all, but I also feel like I hardly tasted the variety of flavors you can find in that store. So, take all my reviews with a little grain of salt; I played a lot of stuff that afternoon, and most of it not very well. (There's a lot to be said about being more comfortable, and thus playing better and sounding better when it's your own instrument)

I also came away with a real appreciation for the instruments I already have. My Mid-mo compared very well against the other flat-tops, and even well against their Weber Bridger A ... which surprised me. I also really enjoy the individual tone that my Bitteroot has, as Un-Gibsonlike as that it. Now, I didn't play any maple-backed Webers, but mine even sounds different than any of the Webers on their wall. Neither did I find a guitar that compared to my 000-15s. OK ... I would trade for a Mini-Martin for my parlor, or that D-16R for my dread, but I think I cured myself of MAS/GAS for a bit ... I hope. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

- Benig

Flatpick
Jul-19-2004, 6:57am
Excellent post B. I love those trips out of state in search of the "perfect instrument" so to speak. I'm still trying to find the time to get to Nashville and visit the Gibson Showroom, God help me if I get there.

Flatpick

Tom C
Jul-19-2004, 7:16am
They also keep some higher end mandos up the small staris on the right when you walk in. You may just see banj*s from the main showroom but if you walk in, thats where they may have a d'angelica (sp?), BM master models, those old 190X clunkers etc.

mandolooter
Jul-19-2004, 11:09am
What'd ya bring back for me Mike?http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

bmac
Jul-19-2004, 11:14am
Nice report... Not long ago I bought my first mando (a Mid-Mo) from Mandolin Brothers. Unfortunately at the time I knew nothing about mandolins or mandolin playing. But I was aware that I was someplace really special and I hope sometime to make the trek to Staten Island again with a little more self-confidence and willingness to explore.

You're right though... Most New Yorkers regard Staten Island to be somewhere near Peoria.

Jim Garber
Jul-19-2004, 12:19pm
They also keep some higher end mandos up the small staris on the right when you walk in. You may just see banj*s from the main showroom but if you walk in, thats where they may have a d'angelica (sp?), BM master models, those old 190X clunkers etc.
What is a "190X clunker"?

Jim

Russ(String-Alley)
Jul-19-2004, 1:07pm
AHHH good ol' Mando bros! Glad to hear you dug it, I myself have to leave the plastic at home when I go there. I am making sure I don't try the collings, I'd be doomed! Some day I'll get to try a Loar, Was it really where its at? how'd you like your stay? we will have to hook up next time your in town for a little picking party.
cheers bro
-Russ

Jim Garber
Jul-19-2004, 1:13pm
Mandolin Brothers is definitely an experience not to be missed in your mandolinic tour of New York.

I bought by very first Gibson there back in the late 1970s and one of the first craved top Flatirons in the 1980s. As far as vintage prices they are in the higher end, but I do have to say that I always felt welcome there and also invite to play some of the finest instruments in existence including a Loar F5 and one of the few Loar K5 mandocellos.

Jim

Tom C
Jul-20-2004, 7:03am
What is a "190X clunker"?
The ones made from 1902-1909 with the pickguard inlayed into the top. They do have a clunky tone..
this is from the mandolin arcive.

Jim Garber
Jul-20-2004, 7:08am
Ah, yes... those with the "southern New Jersey" pickguards.

Jim

onlyagibsonisgoodenuff
Jul-20-2004, 11:17am
Great post, Benignus. I've always wanted to go to the Mandolin Brothers, but probably never will. I have, however purchased from them, and they are great to work with. As to the Gibson F-5V Fern, I agree that the varnish makes a huge difference! At Darrington this past weekend, I played an older F-5L Fern, and compared to my one-year old Varnished Fern, it sounded like, well let's just say I couldn't wait to exchange with the guy for my own again.

otterly2k
Jul-21-2004, 9:47am
Great post, Benig,
I made a pilgrimage there last spring, myself. Folks there were very nice... although (after 1/2 doz tries) they were still unable to find a case to fit my strangely proportioned vintage Italian mandola. bummer...I thought they'd have something for sure.

When I was there, I stood in the mando room and just picked stuff off the walls and played a little of everything. What jumped out of the pack to me was the Phoenix Neoclassical...awesome tone, amazingly light and light touch, felt almost like a violin in the hands.

I have to disagree with your review of the Mini Martin ... I actually bought the MM (which, admittedly DOES sound magnificent for it's size and the fact that it is made out of high quality pressboard), but returned it after a few days and got the Larivee instead... something about real wood just has a depth that the laminate does not. It's like I could play the MM, but it didn't "talk back" the way the L'arrivee did, and I didn't find the faux woodgrain top to be lovely at all...like the sound, lacked depth.

On the other hand, the material they use is virtually indestructible, and as such would make an EXCELLENT kid's instrument (price is right too).

I wonder if any one uses this material to make low-range mandos? hmmm
KE

Michael H Geimer
Jul-21-2004, 10:35am
I can guess why you're disagreeing with my review ... we're not talking about the same guitar. I tried out the Spruce/Rosewood Size-5 Mini-Martin

Size-5 Mini-Martin (http://www.martinguitar.com/guitars/choosing/guitars.php?p=m&m=Size%205%20Mini%20Martin)

It's a dream. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Tom C
Jul-21-2004, 11:37am
Spruce/Rosewood Size-5 Mini-Martin List Price $3599.00.
My friend got the plywood one at GreyFox for $200.00 Big difference.

Mark53
Jul-23-2004, 9:04am
Stan Jay and the staff at Mandolin Brothers are with out a doubt the finest people on the planet. I would not spend my money anywhere else.

I live four blocks from them so I guess I am a regular.

I recently purchased an instrument from them and had to return it (within two days), due to an unforeseen financial down turn.

I was extremely embarassed having never done it before. They were understanding and gracious. It meant alot.

When I am ready again to buy an instrument (my first mandolin),it will be from Stan.

otterly2k
Jul-23-2004, 9:45am
Benig-
Um, yeah, my bad. http://www.mandolincafe.net/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif
sorry about that. I thought you meant the LXM (which lists for $350)...
For the price, I think the L'arrivee is a great parlour guitar, but it's hard to compete with a Martin that lists for nearly 10x as much!

I haven't played the one you mention, but I have no reason to doubt that it would be anything less than stunning.