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Steve Gorman
Oct-06-2008, 11:20am
If you do this for a month it will change your musical life!

I am a musician in my soul. I am a musician like a duck is a bird; it is just what I am. For much of my life music was something I listened to not something I participated in with an instrument. It spoke to my emotions and the essential energetic core of my being. For me, like many others I am sure, sound or more specifically musical sound has a profound effect on my day-to-day existence and even the current state of my moods during the day. I remember my life based on what I was listening to and huge growth changes have always been marked by some
kind of musical growth as well.

As my connection to sound matured I began to want to understand music and possibly create some. I started with the piano, then the viola, back to the piano and then off to the clarinet and finally back to the piano. During this time I grew from the age of say ten to twenty-one and in those eleven years did not learn a single jot of music that stuck with me. I don't know if I tried or didn't try or if the teacher was good or bad. I guess none of that really matters at this point. In the end it was not until my daughter was born that I decided the language of music would not be lost to me. I chose to play the mandolin because a friend had one and it sounded nice enough but more importantly at the time it could fit in an airplane over-head compartment.

I played more and more regularly as the years went by trying hard to understand how music worked. I already loved bluegrass and could memorize music. I could read standard notation and learn songs but for me all that was just memorization. In the end I didn't know what was going at all I just knew if I played the notes as written it sounded nice. Often, once the tune was learned, I would try to improvise. It was sloppy and unintentional no matter what and despite well wishers and teachers saying, “just keep playing” I was heading towards at stopping point. I could memorize all the music I wanted and knew if I just keep noodling around I would eventually get some kind of understanding of music but I don't want that. I want to speak the language of music fluently, period.

This desire kept me going for as much as six years or more. Eventually I learned five or ten songs and could play in jams as long as I stuck to the melody or chopped chords. I began to go to music festivals (If you don't your missing some of the best a life with music has to offer) and with my five or ten songs I would drift from jam to jam watching other monster musicians’ make their instruments do things I never imagined. I wanted to play like them so bad that all I can do is assume that the reader "knows" what I mean because words don't really get the job done.

I would befriend every good musician I meet and try to get them to give me the secret. I say secret because that was what it was to me. Everyone could speak music effortlessly except me. I had tried with teachers and by myself to figure it out with no luck. The good musicians that I befriended would all essentially answer as best they could my very open ended pleadings, "What are you thinking while you play?" or "Why did you play that like that?" or "How did you know that would sound right?" Every time without fail I would walk away more confused than I started with some knew practice technique that if I just practiced would be the one that did the trick. They never did.

And so it went. My efforts at learning just seemed to be stalling and I am sorry to say that I was loosing hope. There were definitely times when I would question if it was just me, maybe I was not a musician that played an instrument. My life might have to be one of listening and not making, acceptable but sad. Well, now I know, that's just bull####!

One day at work (some work ethic) I was surfing the internet and found jazzmando.com. Ted Eschliman ran the site and had some method/system he called Four Finger Closed Position (FFcP). I just said “what the hell”, it can't hurt and seems like a focused approach. I didn't know Ted,
hadn't heard anything about this FFcP thing anywhere, I was coming in cold. I followed his instructions to the letter and for a month played these scales. I didn't really understand where anything was going. Ted tells you that you’re going to start to make a "tactile" understanding of music but I threw all that out the window. He said if I just practiced them something good would happen and it took all the motivation I had left to just do that. HOLY ####!

I am hear to tell you as one struggling musician who almost gave up entirely if you want to learn to be a musician on an instrument (particularly the mandolin) and speak the language of music fluently Ted's website and subsequent book, "Getting into Jazz Mandolin" is it. It might not be the only way but it is the only one that helped me. What he teaches in his method is universal. Its fundamentals are the essential fundamentals of music, the architectural building blocks of western music.

Lazy people, just start reading here:

I will not tell you about the most interesting parts of my journey with Ted's book. It wouldn't do you any good and would be hard to put into context if you don't know anything about his book/system. I will say that what I am about to tell you is smallest but most startling little bit of joy I got just as I started out. Once I achieved it the door to the world of music cracked open.

If you follow Ted Eschliman's FFcP system by playing the exercises he outlines in the way/order he dictates for a single month, once a day you will be glad you did.

I can say this because I did it. To end the suspense here is why it works.

Strength. The first thing you have to do to follow Ted's larger system is practice and become proficient at his basic exercise. It is a set of four patterns that you memorize. They are not so much just patterns of notes as they are finger patterns you make on the fret board. There are
no open strings allowed and initially it is a feet of strength and flexibility. Do this! Don’t stop doing this for a month. Play them as
long as you can without hurting yourself but for no less than twenty minutes. Do if for a month. You have my word, a change will come.

Your fingers get strong and dude that is the secret. All of a sudden
you play deliberately. Once you start doing that you can watch your fingers in a totally different way. Your fret board will start to take on a different meaning and slowly you will see the door start to open too.

What makes this method different you say?
Where most of the methods I have looked at before give you exercise and concepts they have no logical beginning and end. They typically leave you with a bunch of unrelated exercises that if you practice and comprehend get you to a place of higher understanding. Ted’s book says start here at step one. Follow these steps and by the end you will speak the language, period. It is like a map you just follow and at first apply nothing more that muscle strength if that’s all you have but soon the needed muscles develop and your brain stops instructing your fingers so much. With the free time your brain will have to find something else to do. Believe it or not it will start to learn.

I guess I should stop at this point. There are very few things I actually voice my support for in this life. I don’t post on blogs regularly; I read but never participate in the mandocafe lists. I’m a self centered person who usually takes the approach that life belongs to each of us individually to figure out for themselves. I now know music has no secret. If I apply myself to Ted’s method how good I become is up to me and how much free time I have to practice.

Thank you Ted Eschliman.

Stephen Lind
Oct-06-2008, 12:28pm
Thanks for the great post
very well thought out, executed, and heart felt

hmmm
looks like it's been removed

JEStanek
Oct-06-2008, 12:42pm
Here's a link (http://jazzmando.com/ffcp_studies.shtml) to Ted's Four Finger Closed Position excesizes at Jazzmando.com.

Jamie

MikeEdgerton
Oct-06-2008, 6:56pm
Just a note for anyone that thinks Ted is ignoring this post. He's sick with the flu and unable to get to the computer for any length of time. I'm sure he appreciates the message.

MLT
Oct-06-2008, 8:00pm
I have seen the FFcP on JazzMando, but never did anything about it...apparently my loss...With such a resounding and well written endorsement, I went again and printed them from the site...I am going to spend the next month working them.

Thanks Ted! And Get well soon.

Stephen Lind
Oct-06-2008, 8:27pm
Thanks Jamie
i'd never be able to find my head if it wasn't attached:confused:

Larry S Sherman
Oct-06-2008, 10:10pm
Probably the best long post I've read here...and I feel quite the same about Ted's contributions.

I've been working on his FFcP method for awhile, and just received Getting Into Jazz Mandolin (http://jazzmando.com/gijm_20835bcd.shtml) today. Once I started the fretboard just kinda fell into place logically for me...and I'm still learning.

Why this method clicked for me while my other music methods didn't (at least not so strongly) is a mystery to me.

Thank you Ted for your great work!

:mandosmiley:

Jim Garber
Oct-07-2008, 5:38am
I have used Ted's Four Finger Closed Position excersizes and not only has my musicianship improved but I lost 36 pounds of ugly body fat and now have six-pack abs. :)

Sorry, I have been watching way too many infomercials....

And now... back to our regularly scheduled program...

LKN2MYIS
Oct-07-2008, 6:34am
I stated how valuable I found Ted's book in another thread, but I don't want to miss the opportunity to say it again.

It's helping me TREMENDOUSLY. It's like someone began to tell me the 'secrets' of the instrument.

Thanks again, Ted!

jim_n_virginia
Oct-07-2008, 9:05am
If you do this for a month it will change your musical life!

Thank you Ted Eschliman.

A question... are you on Ted's payroll??? If not you should be! :grin:

You know I don't like jazz that much but you have made me curious I am going to check out Ted's site closer (I have brisked through it quickly in the past) and maybe try some of the exercises.

Maybe Ted can change MY life too! LOL!

thanks for the post and get well soon Ted!

Chris Biorkman
Oct-07-2008, 9:11am
This post is making me curious as well. I think I'm going to check it out.

mando.player
Oct-07-2008, 9:25am
Ditto on all the Ted love!

In addition to everything that's been stated, Ted's approach to teaching concepts changed the way I think about the mandolin. I now tend to approach the mandolin from a modular point of view. Whether it's learning a new tune or figuring out chord voicings, I look for patterns and break things down from there. It's made a profound impact on my playing and had allowed me to comprehend topics that I previously felt were beyond me.

Thanks Ted.

fishdawg40
Oct-07-2008, 9:26am
You know I don't like jazz that much but you have made me curious I am going to check out Ted's site closer (I have brisked through it quickly in the past) and maybe try some of the exercises.



Hey Jim. I don't think Jazz really has anything to do with it, other than getting outside the box on different keys. The most important aspects to FFcP is the 4 different patterns that can be found all over the fretboard and how they are interconnected. Also, it builds that pinky and improves stretching of the hand.

I gathered this from about 30 minutes of working on it this morning.

Mattg
Oct-07-2008, 10:26am
This is a very interesting thread. I guess I thought everyone saw these patterns. Since I'm a visual learner, I'm always looking for these patterns. While I have been haphazardly practicing these patterns for awhile mostly to get my pinky into play, I've not had the musical epiphany as described above. I think mostly because I have not drilled consistantly for a month. I'll drill for a moment then drop into a fiddle tune if it happens to share the same note run (sooooo A.D.D. am I, hey let's go ride a bike).

At first glance, it also looks similar to how arpeggio's interlock and can be moved about the fretboard. I've been trying to get ahold of those to form a roadmap for double stops.

The question I have is does any of this method overlap with the "Bluegrass Up the Fretboard" lessons. I just got that book too and am trying to figure out which direction to go in.

Jkf_Alone
Oct-07-2008, 10:38am
I have said in the previous threads that the exersizes felt to much like exersizes to me, but after reading this thread I gave them another try and I must say with my new mandolin, they are sounding much more musical than I remember and making so much more sense (now that I am not fighting my way up the neck) I will definitly be spending more time with these in the future.:mandosmiley:

Larry S Sherman
Oct-07-2008, 10:59am
after reading this thread I gave them another try and I must say with my new mandolin, they are sounding much more musical than I remember

You can really hear the musicality of the exercises on the book's CD, which should help folks get past simple sight-reading and move into the "freeing the mind" part.

Larry

Mandolusional
Oct-07-2008, 1:55pm
Thanks to this post, I too am revisiting the FFcP, which I conveniently in a binder of exercises I've compiled. I tried them for a few months when I was still completely green on the mandolin. They helped my dexterity a lot but I didn't have that same connection with the fretboard, possibly because I had to focus so much on the finger motions. I may be at a point now where I can better make the connection. Thanks for the reminder and well written review.

Jean-Pierre WOOS
Oct-07-2008, 3:19pm
Since the issue of December 2003, Ted also writes on Mel Bay's mandolin session:

http://www.mandolinsessions.com/backissues.html

FFcP is really a great Ted's idea:. Gormanst is not the single recipient of this splendid teaching. I continue to learn each day from him, and I await impatiently, my specimen of " Getting in jazz mando"...

Bryan T
Oct-07-2008, 4:01pm
When I started diving into the mandolin earlier this year (I've been playing guitar for 17 years) I spent a lot of time working on things that I picked up from Ted's articles and website. It sounds like my instincts were good to do that!

Bryan

Alex Orr
Oct-07-2008, 4:30pm
So, is this basically a version of the CAGED system (taught for guitar) but done on mando?

Bryan T
Oct-07-2008, 4:49pm
So, is this basically a version of the CAGED system (taught for guitar) but done on mando?

Kind of. Less explicit emphasis on chord tones and more on scale tones.

Bryan

JeffD
Oct-07-2008, 7:28pm
I think what happens is that when you first learn an instrument, mandolin in my case but likley guitar too - you learn by emulating the sounds you hear that you want to make. Since I came originally from a woodwind world, I started out with a melody, and worked everything out in first position, and learned tunes by memorizing long strings of notes.

A lot folks learn chords this way too - find out what the chords are for a particular tune, learn the chords and play them.

What happens is that it becomes hard to generalize from a specific tune. To move up the neck, or to play it in a different key, or to improvise, or figure out chords for a tune you haven't had shown to you...

I ended up being able to play a lot of tunes on the mandolin, but never learning to play the mandolin itself.

I transferred my woodwind music reading skills to the mandolin, so that I knew where to put my finger for any given black dot on the page, so then I was able to play what was put in front of me. But even so, I was playing the music in front of me on the mandolin - sometimes beautifully, but never spontaneously.

Exercises like Ted's really transcend any specific tune. I learn to find my way around the fretboard, and how to play the mandolin itself, and not just a particular string of notes or chords, whether memorized or displayed in front of me. It really opens the door to everything, tunes come to the fingers faster, new tunes are easier to learn, harmonies, chords, and double stops make sense are portable into all keys, and improvization becomes so much more than what some folks do: learning some hot licks in few particular keys and waiting for the next tune in that key so you can pull them out.


Its good stuff, real good, and its good to see all the unselfconscious enthusiasm about it. It really is what they mean when they refer to playing "on a whole new level".

:mandosmiley:

Ken Feil
Oct-07-2008, 8:30pm
Teds book changed my life too. Now I realize how old and out dumb I really am. I didnt understand any of it.

Ken

djidaho
Oct-07-2008, 10:19pm
I began working on these lessons a while back when the first ones started showing up on "JazzMando" I have the book now & my only issue is that it isn't with a spiral binding for fliping and holding the page down.
I know not a big deal for a truly good time taking another step towards learning to use the instument to make music & not just memorize music.
Good stuff for any Mandolin player.

Dave

latentaudio
Oct-08-2008, 3:48am
I've taken a quick look at the FFcP stuff before but never gave it much time. Yesterday I sat down and went thru the first bunch of exercises.

I like these exercises. They really give your fingers a workout and they are good sounding. I also think that going back and playing the scales between each exercise is a GREAT idea.

Well done!

Larry S Sherman
Oct-08-2008, 4:33am
my only issue is that it isn't with a spiral binding for fliping and holding the page down.

The binding is a standard Mel Bay binding called "Perfect Binding", and Ted has a page on his website (http://jazzmando.com/tips/archives/000892.shtml) where he shows you how to get the binding to lie flat for music stands, etc.

http://jazzmando.com/tips/archives/images/MB_binding.jpg

Larry

Scott Tichenor
Oct-08-2008, 5:37am
Any one else struggling with the page at the back of the book on "Making The Best Use of All Fingers?" Having trouble with that one and can't figure out why. :disbelief:

http://www.mandolincafe.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=4088&d=0

mandopete
Oct-08-2008, 7:20am
Polydactylist?

pickloser
Oct-08-2008, 7:46am
For just a couple dollars, Kinkos or some other similar type store can turn "perfectly bound" books such as this into spiral bound books that easily stay open. It's worth the money.

djidaho
Oct-08-2008, 8:08am
Got it, thanks. Tips & Tricks, or Kinko's. Time to dig out the music stand.

What is the name of that chord in the back I wonder???
I hope I never have to use it!!!

dave

Aran
Oct-08-2008, 9:40am
Wow this post has really spoken to me too...

Firstly to the original poster: (I feel like I have been on a similar path as you)

I messed about with guitar and fiddle since I was a kid too but never really got beyond a fairly mediocre level, then when my second daughter was born finally realised my dream of many years and bought a cheap mandolin. For the first time I was actually applying myself to an instrument that felt right in my hands.. Saying that after 4 years I have a few tunes and improvise around a few scales but really feel I'm not totally playing the instrument.

Anyhooo have dipped my toe into the FFCP exercises but not committed my energy properly.

Thanks for the inspiration and talk to you in a month....
:mandosmiley:

James P
Oct-08-2008, 10:31am
Ted Eschliman freed my pinky!

No joke. Thanks Ted.

Ace
Oct-08-2008, 11:17am
Help me here guys. I have NO prior musical experience other than a FM radio or a cassette player. I took up the mandolin about a year or so ago. The original post kind of hit close to home with me as I was/am able to sound out some songs aka note for note, but when it comes to jammin with others, I step off to the side. I just can't do it! I am learning chords but as some of you know, remembering where to go from one to the next and knowing which one comes after the previous is still all new to me! It IS coming but very slowly!
Anyway, looking at this site that was recommended, the first excercise looks like tablature. I am weak as heck with my pinky but I CAN use it.
Am I right by just doing the first measure of this excercise over and over until I GET it and then move on to the next, or should I just play each note as printed all the way thru? I feel I get faster by just concentrating on the first measure and my pinky seems to be getting a workout with it!

Thanks
Ace

Tracy Tucker
Oct-09-2008, 5:13am
Am I right by just doing the first measure of this excercise over and over until I GET it and then move on to the next, or should I just play each note as printed all the way thru?

Thanks
Ace

My teacher suggests tackling things measure by measure.

GRW3
Oct-13-2008, 9:49am
Sometimes I just amaze myself with how obtuse I can be... I had looked at Ted's pages on the Cafe before and just didn't get it. It's like the these sentences illustrating the need for punctuation and the use of emphasis.

What is this thing called love? vs What is this thing called, luv?

What is that in the road ahead? vs What is that in the road? A head?

I looked at the illustrations and saw (ta da)... Power Chords!

If it says anywhere specifically in the text that they are scales I missed it. After reading OP in this thread I went back and took a closer look. Then I noted that the pattern for the first finger looked just like the one I use to play the first ocave of the C scale in the fifth position. These are scales! They look just like the scales in open position except they use all four fingers! Duh! (to quote the right honorable Homer Simpson)

Now it all makes sense...

Actually this dove tails pretty well with what I have been doing since I came back from Camp Bluegrass. I've been doing Roland White's finger exercises, whch do some pinky work, and beating the first position scales, primarily G,D,A,C and their relative minors Em,Bm,F#m,Am. While this pretty much covers the gamut of fiddle tunes I have been thinking about songs and playing under them effectively when the key is odd. I kind of picked through a few of them in the open position but this looks like a better solution for general purposes.

Now this may seem too obvious but let me talk about the value I have found in learning scales. I've learned the open scales kind of like a mental gear. If the tune or song is in G then my hand is set to play G scale notes. This is invaluable in improvising breaks and fills. (This is even more important for the relative minors) It also helps with reading standard notation. While I have a background in reading music I was a bass clef guy (trombone). Once I find the anchor for the tune I'm good to go. You don't have to worry about the sharps and flats as they are accommodated by the scale pattern. Incidentals will be duly noted.

Anyway, I'm adding the closed scales to my daily practice. (first finger FFcP is also good for the upper octave of B and Bb, BTW.)

Dave Hicks
Oct-21-2008, 6:12am
I'm recovering from a finger injury, and the FFcP are really good physical therapy! (FFPT?)

D.H.

Laura Leder
Oct-22-2008, 1:26pm
I just wanted to add that Ted is not only a great teacher to all of us, but also a very giving person.

I run a program called "Cool Mandolins for Kids", which donates mandolins to children who would like to learn mandolin but their family may not have the financial means to buy an instrument.

I received an email from Ted that said he was putting out a Jazz mandolin book. He would be selling autographed copies and would donate $10 to "Cool Mandolins for Kids" with each purchase.

This was all Ted's idea. He is such a generous man. Because of his donation, a child will receive a mandolin. How great is that?

We are all so lucky to have Scott Tichenor and Ted Eschliman. The folks in "mandolin world" are truly the best!

Laura