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Steve Scott
Jul-21-2008, 5:57pm
Has anyone been able to do a comparison of these two pickups? Possibly on the same instrument.

Doug Hoople
Jul-21-2008, 7:37pm
No, but I have been able to compare the K & K Silver Bullet with the Dyn-M, and that should be roughly the same thing.

The condensor mic will feed back at a MUCH lower level than the Dyn-M transducer, so there's not much headroom to work with.

Otherwise, from everything I've read and heard, the microphone provides a more accurate rendering of the acoustic sound than the transducer. My own experience bears that out.

The transducer sounds pretty good, though, especially relative to piezo-type pickups, so it's not a bad option in environments where feedback sensitivity is an issue.

Of course, the piezos are the best by far of the three for feedback, but they really sound terrible, IMHO.

jefflester
Jul-21-2008, 8:24pm
No, but I have been able to compare the K & K Silver Bullet with the Dyn-M, and that should be roughly the same thing.
The AKG is quite different than the silver bullet, it's contact vibration transducer attached to the soundboard, not a mic pointing at the soundboard.
Here are a few previous topics:
Search results "Schertler AND C411" (http://www.mandolincafe.net/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=Search&CODE=02&SID=488541f96cb1c653)

There's also comparisons to the Baggs Radius pickup in several of those topics.

Doug Hoople
Jul-21-2008, 8:50pm
Thanks, Jeff, for the correction. You're absolutely right. I was thinking of the C419, not the C411.

My apologies. I didn't answer the OP's question.

mandroid
Jul-21-2008, 8:50pm
Both are contact transducers, AKG C411 is a condenser type, so just like freestanding Mics, needs a powersupply to it 'phantom power'
via internal voltage regulated cable connection , or their battery pack.

Another microphone type is dyanamic, and the motion of air or the vibration of the surface makes an electrical signal

like a speaker in reverse.. Schertler Dyn series is in that category.

[not to confuse things there is another series of transducers from Schertler, Basik, it's an electaret type so is somewhat similar to AKG in that regard, the physical size of capacitor/electaret mechanisms can me made smaller.]

If a difference in sound is what you need to know, probably best to go where a dealer has both and your ears can listen to them.